Apparently, James Kirk's fighting skills increased after his shirt ripped, or maybe it was a coincidence that he never seemed to lose when this occurred. Am I just remembering incorrectly, or did Kirk really have an undefeated record when his shirt ripped?

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    Why is it interesting to know if there's a correlation between Kirk's win/loss record and his shirt being ripped? In any case, unless you're going to split hairs, his shirt was sliced open and he died in "Amok Time," so yes, you're remembering incorrectly. – Ward - Reinstate Monica Jul 26 '14 at 4:42
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    Because I'm curious. Just because you don't find it interesting, doesn't mean that everybody does. – user30592 Jul 26 '14 at 5:02
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    Your question seems to be about a trivial detail; it's not clear how it leads to a greater understanding of any aspect of the work(s) in question. You may get a more positive response if you can explain why it's interesting or how it's relevant. – Ward - Reinstate Monica Jul 26 '14 at 5:22
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    I guess sometimes it's just fun to ask a fun question. I'm not sure why everything has to be so serious all the time on this site. Technically, I could say that I don't find any of your questions interesting or believe that they're trivial; it's rather subjective, I think. – user30592 Jul 26 '14 at 5:35
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    Actually, I see merit in this question. An alien is often shown to be powerful by having them fight Worf and win. I think it's interesting to know if the ripped shirt is used in a similar manner, to signal that "now it's serious". – SQB Jul 26 '14 at 7:11

Captain Kirk got his butt kicked by Leela in Where No Fan Has Gone Before, despite his shirt being ripped. Also, Spock messed him up in both Amok Time and The Paradise Syndrome. It would be difficult to believe that having half a bridge fall on him in Star Trek: Generations didn't rip his shirt, but it isn't visibly torn.

If you include books, Omnidon beats Kirk to a pulp on multiple occasions in The Flight of the Phoenix and The Fate of the Phoenix. I'm sure there are many other examples outside of television and films, but I don't recall any others.

  • If I recall, did Kirk not rip his OWN shirt for the purpose of fighting in that Futurama episode? If he did, perhaps he also sees a correlation between winning and shirt-ripping. – Mac Cooper Jul 26 '14 at 12:55
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    @MacCooper: It's played for laughs, as if he doesn't know how to fight without his shirt ripped. "Wasn't there an episode where I threw my shoe at the enemy?" "My foot's cold." – James Sheridan Jul 26 '14 at 12:58
  • haha yeah that was my point :P – Mac Cooper Jul 26 '14 at 13:01
  • His ripped shirt clearly has Weakness against both Satire and Copper-based Friendship – xdhmoore Jan 9 '17 at 10:16

As per my comment, no, Kirk did not always win fights when his shirt ripped. "Amok Time" is one counter-example.

  • McCoy cheated and doped him up to make him die. – Oldcat Jul 31 '14 at 1:12
  • Arguably, since Kirk did not actually die, and Spock ended up returning to the Enterprise, you could say Kirk lost the battle, but won the war. – CigarDoug Aug 11 '14 at 15:15

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