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Both were classmates on Gallifrey so shouldn't the Master know the Doctor's name?

If so, why was the Doctor willing to trust River just because she knew his name?

  • Cleaned up the question a bit and fixed some grammatical errors, standardized capitalization. Feel free to revert if you like. – Jeff Nov 14 '11 at 19:47
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Well, if you consider the fact that the Master has never used the Doctor's name (apparently granting the Doctor the same respect the Doctor grants him) it seems unlikely that the Master has told anyone else the Doctor's name, though he would absolutely know it.

Everyone else who ever knew the Doctor's name was a Time Lord.

Every Time Lord except the Doctor and the Master was erased from time (unless that's changed sometime since Tennant's run).

Ergo, if River knows the Doctor's name, she MUST have learned it from the Doctor himself or from the Master. And the Doctor has a habit of walking directly into traps, just to see what will happen. Thus, someone who knows his name is someone one of his future states trusted, or someone he'll pretend to trust to see what the trap is.

Edit: This answer assumes the answer in the Title is 'Yes'. This is because the Doctor's original or 'real' name seemed to be widely known by the Gallifreyans he regularly interacted with. Because of their long history, it is therefore easy to decide that the Master does, indeed, know the original name of the Doctor.

The rest of this answer seeks to answer the question asked in the text above, namely, why the Doctor would trust someone simply because they knew his name given that at least one antagonist of his also knows his name.

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    "And the Doctor has a habit of walking directly into traps" That makes sense. He realy likes to get into trouble. :) – Markus Nov 14 '11 at 20:05
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    There's one thing you never put in a trap if you're smart. – Random832 Nov 14 '11 at 20:42
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    "unless that's changed sometime since Tennant's run" - what incredible foresight... – Ben Jun 24 '15 at 5:36
  • Ummm . . . gonna correct Jeff here. One person knew the Doctor's real identity and therefore his name , and that was the Elizabethan witch Lady Peinforte ( 8th Doctor "Silver Nemesis"). It's her testimony and two other facts that make me suspect I know who the Doctor is ( or at least WAS to begin with ), but the explanation with evidence exceeds the word limit :) – Covertwalrus Jul 16 '15 at 5:41
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    @Covertwalrus: "I have a most excellent proof of the Doctor's identitfy, but the comments section of this site is too narrow"? Thank you, Mr. Fermat. – Jeff Jul 16 '15 at 13:10
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Only the nickname is known from the bbc archive, and I guess the master used this name as well:

In the Fourth Doctor serial "The Armageddon Factor", the Doctor runs into a former class mate of his named Drax. Drax refers to the Doctor several times as "Thete", to which the Doctor replies "It's the Doctor." "Thete" is then revealed to be short for Theta Sigma, the Doctor's nickname at Prydon Academy on Gallifrey, as also referenced in The Happiness Patrol and "The Pandorica Opens".

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Although I have no definite proof, I think yes, for the following reasons.

Neither "The Doctor" nor "The Master" are names, but titles they call themselves.

OHILA: Because you are the good man, as you call yourself?
DOCTOR: I call myself the Doctor.
OHILA: It's the same thing in your mind.
DOCTOR: I'd like to think so.
- Night of the Doctor

MASTER: Doctor.
DOCTOR: Master.
MASTER: I like it when you use my name.
DOCTOR: You chose it. Psychiatrist's field day.
- The Sound of Drums

Other renegade Timelords seem to have done the same (The Monk, The Rani, The Corsair, The War Chief). But the acquisition of titles seems to be a Gallifreyan, or Timelord trait anyway - for example, Rassilon, which we understand to be his name, also had many titles including "Conquerer of Yssgaroth", the "Overpriest of Dronid", the "First Earl of Prydon", the "Patris of the Vortex", and the "Ravager of the Void".

Similarly, in Twice Upon A Time, the weird soul-gathering aliens say:

"The Doctor has many names. The Destroyer of Worlds. The Imp of the Pandorica. The Shadow of the Valeyard. The Beast of Trenzalore. The Butcher of Skull Moon. The Last Tree of Garsennon. The Destroyer of Skaro."

All of these "titles", along with "The Doctor" are referred to as his "names".

On several occasions, The Master has demanded and gained pleasure over people, including The Doctor, addressing him as "The Master", as in the quote above. This suggests that The Doctor does know The Master's real name and would have used it in the past, but calling him "Master" strokes his ego because he chose it for himself believing that that he is worthy of being everyone's master. It is logical then that they would know each others names as they knew each other before either of them took on these titles.

If we accept then that it is normal for Timelords to go by a title they choose for themselves rather than a name, this would explain why every Gallifreyan and Timelord that The Doctor has encountered has called him by his chosen title without question or reference to his "real" name. Any occasion where another Timelord has expressed surprise or disdain for the Doctor's "name" could therefore be taken as a reaction to the meaning behind the title he chose, not that he chose it. We all know that The Doctor's chosen life-course, as personified by the name "The Doctor", is at odds with the rest of the Timelords.

It may also be an unspoken rule among Timelords not to use their "dead" names (for want of a better expression) if they have chosen a title that represents their life's path. This may be the reason that the woman the Twelfth Doctor met in the barn on Gallifrey in Hell Bent does not say his name yet he silently nods to confirm who he is. This would also make it remarkable that he told Riversong because she is not (technically) a Timelord and because he used a name neither he, nor his people use anymore.

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    It seems to be the case that renegades (The Doctor, The Master, The Monk, The Rani, The Corsair) discard their old names while most Time Lords (Rassilon, Andred, Romanadvoratrelundar, Borusa, Maxil) do not. – OrangeDog 2 days ago
  • Excepting the case where they use their exam grades as a nickname - Thete (The Doctor) and Omega. – OrangeDog 2 days ago
  • @OrangeDog +1 agree. And don't forget The War Chief too! But the sheer volume of titles both The Doctor and Rassilon acquired over time suggest to me that they all quite big on them. Perhaps a more accurate statement would be that the renegades choose to go by their title, perhaps deliberately ditching their given name? – Astralbee 2 days ago
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Could be yes and no. It possible that both know each other's given names but not the respective true names. I've seen the idea used in some fantasy stories, I think the concept has its origin in folklore. A true name would be given to only select few, as a sign of supreme trust.

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    Welcome to the site. This doesn't really answer the question. It would be better to make it a comment. Answers should address the question in a conclusive way, even if a definitive answer is not possible. – Wad Cheber Jul 16 '15 at 3:11
  • . . . is this really a question that can have a conclusive answer? This is really a question that only the BBC can really answer and maybe they will answer it . . . one day. I read it as speculative question. – Kometman Jul 16 '15 at 3:25
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Yes, Missy "The Master" calls the Twelfth Doctor "Doctor Who" because that is the Doctor's name.

BILL: So, why do you keep calling yourself Doctor Who?
MISSY: Because I'm pretending to be him. Because that's the whole point of this ridiculous exercise.
[...]
BILL: Yeah, but he's called the Doctor, so
MISSY: He says, I'm the Doctor, and they say, Doctor who? See, I'm cutting to the chase, baby. I'm streamlining. I'm saving us actual minutes.
BILL: Yeah, okay, whatever.
MISSY: Also it's his real name.
[...]
BILL: Sorry, what do you mean, it's his real name? Nobody knows the Doctor's real name.
MISSY: I do, because I grew up with him, and his real name is Doctor Who.
DOCTOR: Bill, she's just trying to wind you up.
MISSY: Chose it himself, you know, trying to sound mysterious. And then he dropped the Who when he realised it was a tiny bit on the nose.

-- S10E11 (World Enough and Time)

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    It appears to be generally considered that Missy, the Master, is not telling the truth here and that the Doctor's real name is unknown. – TheLethalCarrot Jun 12 at 10:52
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    This does answer the question. The question is "does the Master know the Doctor's real name?" and in this dialogue Missy confirms that she knows it, even if she lies about the name itself. This should be the correct answer. – tilley31 Jun 12 at 15:52
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I think the Master knows the Doctors name, but and the Doctor knows the Masters name, but they don't use it, because Doctor and Master are their chosen names, and they respect each other by not using their real name.

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    Welcome to SFFSE! Do you have any evidence to support your opinion? That will greatly improve your answer's quality – Often Right Jul 16 '15 at 2:45
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The Master certainly knows The Doctor's real name. The Master knows a great deal more than is normal about The Doctor including, but not limited, to the private "cell phone" number. There is another scene where Missy is talking about a situation The Doctor got into with a bunch of Daleks where he used a teleporter to escape. The description was one of someone who was inside The Doctor's head. The episode was Witch's Familiar where Missy is explaining the teleport device. The only way Missy could have that info was to be there. The only way for her to be there is if Missy and The Doctor are the same person. My guess is that at some point The Doctor breaks Time and shatters himself into pieces, much like what happened to Clara. The Master, being a fragment, peering into the Time Vortex shatters his concept of self and drives him mad. It would be like a camera pointing at its own monitor: himself looking at all his selves, and fragmented selves, and himself... looking at all his selves. All sorts of feedback... much like the opening credit of Dr. Who.It would be difficult enough with one timeline.. but with many.. of course he went mad.

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I Do not think the Master knows because they state in the classic that His wife was the only one who knew Not even his Children so I'm pretty sure he doesn't know, Same with the Christmas episode The Time lords didn't know his name If he didn't tell his Children why would he tell his best friend? Master knowing his name would make no sense at all in the story

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