By the end of Death in Heaven (S8 E12), it seems that

Danny Pink is dead

How can this be, when

Clara and Danny had a descendent

in a previous episode in this series?


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It may be that the descendant that we saw

(Orson Pink in Listen)

isn’t actually a descendant of

Clara and Danny.

Although there are certainly circumstantial details in Listen that point strongly to that conclusion, Listen’s big theme is circumstantial details that point strongly to a conclusion (i.e. there being a race with perfectly evolved hiding capabilities that cannot be perceived), which in fact is not true. The idea of that character being a “descendant” may be similarly untrue.

Alternatively, the last state in which we see

Danny, i.e. trapped in a disintegrating Nethersphere

may not be that character’s final fate. This is Doctor Who. People come back.

And one last possibility — in the cafe, before

Clara says goodbye to the Doctor,

she said that she had something to tell him. We can’t really be sure what that was. Maybe...

...she’s pregnant?

Although we never see any evidence of that in the rest of Clara’s run on the series, so probably not.

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    I think the last point is probably the correct one. Remember the phone conversation at the start of the previous part? It seems likely that that was going to be one of the reasons for the call. Nov 9, 2014 at 20:56
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    It could also be that that timeline has now simply been overwritten, like what they talked about in "In the Forest of the Night" - if a solar flare wipes out Earth in the modern day, then episodes set in Earth's/humanity's future can no longer happen. By the time of "Listen", Danny hadn't yet been converted, so his future was still in flux, and it was possible that Orson could come from that future, until "Death in Heaven" established differently.
    – Amy
    Nov 9, 2014 at 22:29
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    with the last comments i assumed it was because of the kid Danny brought back to life (the one he killed as a solider) and she was going to tell him she has to help this kid (raise him if she can't find his parents) and can no longer travel with him but because she was wearing The Master's bracelet the doctor assumed Danny was back. Because she's doesn't know The Doctor's first rule she didn't want to spoil the mood of him having found Gallifrey
    – Memor-X
    Nov 10, 2014 at 0:15
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    @PaulD.Waite I'd certainly go with the adoption theroy - at least that was my first impression on the first viewing.
    – user12183
    Nov 12, 2014 at 5:38
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    @Chahk — I think at this point we can be fairly certain Clara wasn’t pregnant. At least as certain as Doctor who allows. Oct 10, 2018 at 9:41

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