I'm confused on what the actual length in the Star Wars lore of how long the Jedi were the guardians of peace and Justice of the old republic.

In the original film Obi Wan to Luke states for over a thousand generations. This would be starting about the time of Knights of the Old Republic which makes sense.

However in Episode II, Palpatine states it to be a 1000 years which I've noticed some people here use.

Which is it?

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    Does it matter? Don't it literally. It means from ancient times.
    – user931
    Commented Dec 7, 2014 at 14:51
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    "“I will not let this Republic that has stood for a thousand years be split in two!” Palpatine declared, slamming a fist determinedly on his desk. “My negotiations will not fail!”" - Palpatine (Attack of the Clones)
    – Valorum
    Commented Dec 7, 2014 at 15:26
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    "Cap'n we're gonna need to deploy the retcon deflectors!" starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ruusan_Reformation
    – Valorum
    Commented Dec 7, 2014 at 15:37
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    There's no conflict between the statements. The Jedi existed for 1000 generations and for 1000 of those years, the Republic existed.
    – phantom42
    Commented Dec 7, 2014 at 16:13
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    @Hypnosifl which is only a problem when trying to rectify the non-canon EU against the canon movies.
    – phantom42
    Commented Dec 8, 2014 at 23:13

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Palpatine was referring to the Ruusan Reformation, an event where the Republic was reformed and restructured. It occurred about 1,000 years before Palpatine made the statement. Essentially, a new Republic was created.

The original Republic began in about 25,000 BBY. The modern Jedi Order began in about 26,000 BBY. So the Jedi served the Republic for all of its existance.

This was specifically created in order to prevent a continuity error.

From the linked article:

The Ruusan Reformation was introduced in the timeline in order to explain several differences between the Old Republic as presented in the comics, and the one which appeared in the prequel trilogy.

In the Expanded Universe, the Republic is well established to be extant for 25,000 years, based on Obi-Wan Kenobi's line in A New Hope that the Jedi had been "the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic" "for over a thousand generations." For a long time, EU sources were the only works set during the Republic era—most notably the popular Tales of the Jedi sagas. However, in Attack of the Clones, Palpatine mentioned the Republic had "stood for a thousand years." This at first seemed to conflict with both the C-canon EU history and the G-canon internal continuity in the films. However, the Ruusan Reformation—in which the Republic is reorganized following the already-established defeat of the Sith a thousand years prior to the films at the Seventh Battle of Ruusan—was invented by subsequent writers to give an alternate explanation on Palpatine's line, thus bringing all these sources into relative harmony through a retcon. It also explains how Sio Bibble could claim, in Attack of the Clones, that there had not been a full-scale war since the formation of the Republic.


Origin of the Jedi order is known to be 36,453 BBY. So, it should be 1000 generations (don't take this number literally), which was stated by Obi-Wan.

For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times. Before the Empire.

- Obi-Wan Kenobi

About 1000 years before Episode II, the Sith became extinct at the Seventh Battle of Ruusan (1000 BBY), where all of the Sith except Darth Bane and few more were killed. Palpatine might have referred this and you misheard.

  • Did you mean "Sith became extinct"?
    – Hypnosifl
    Commented Dec 7, 2014 at 15:21
  • @Hypnosifl Haha... Yes. Sorry.
    – user931
    Commented Dec 7, 2014 at 15:26
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    No the sith did not become extinct. They merely went into hiding
    – Virusboy
    Commented Dec 7, 2014 at 16:53
  • @Virusboy No. Seventh Battle of Russan (1000 BBY) killed all of the Sith except Darth Bane (then, he started the Rule of Two).
    – user931
    Commented Dec 7, 2014 at 17:13
  • Known to be 36,453 BBY according to the (now non-canon) EU novels.
    – Valorum
    Commented Dec 8, 2014 at 0:19

For those who think Obi-Wan may have misspoke, there is pretty clear evidence that in the current canon the Jedi have been around for a thousand generations, not just a thousand years. In The Clone Wars episode "A Test of Strength" a group of Jedi younglings are introduced to a droid named Huyang, who has been instructing younglings in lightsaber design for a very long time. Then two episodes later in an episode titled "A Necessary Bond", at 11 minutes 7 seconds in, Huyang says "If I may, sir, I have instructed younglings for over a thousand generations, and these are among the best I have ever seen."

Likewise, the canon novel Tarkin says on p. 115 that "Tarkin suspected that even if the Jedi had restrained themselves from rising against Palpatine in his moment of glory, the esoteric Order had doomed itself to extinction. Where their flame had burned bright for a thousand generations, technological might was the new standard."

The Clone Wars episode "The Mandalore Plot" also had some dialogue indicating there had been a previous "Old Republic" which had fallen, with Pre Vizsla brandishing an unusual black lightsaber design, referred to in Ultimate Star Wars as a darksaber, and saying to Obi-Wan "This lightsaber was stolen from your Jedi Temple by my ancestors during the fall of the Old Republic. Since then many Jedi have died upon its blade. Prepare yourself to join them!" So, Palpatine's comment in Attack of the Clones that "I will not let this Republic that has stood for a thousand years be split in two!" may simply have referred to how long the Republic had stood since being re-formed after a previous "fall".


There IS a contradiction. There's no getting around it. It's simply a movie continuity error. Obi-Wan infers that the Old Republic stood for over 1000 generations & the Jedi were the guardians for all of this time. Palpatine infers that the former Republic had only been around for 1000 years. Out of universe it's a continuity error. In universe the only explanation is that either Palpatine or Obi-Wan made a mistake. No one's perfect.

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    I know this is an old answer but I think I need to clarify. You're confusing the Old Republic with the one Palpatine is referring to, which is not the same one. The Old Republic is not the one currently in power when Palpatine becomes Chancellor, it's the post-Ruusan Reformation Republic or New Republic if you want. The Empire on the other hand is not a Republic at all. Obi-Wan refers to the Old Republic lasting for 1000 generations, Palpatine refers to the new one lasting 1000 years and Obi-Wan is making a statement post-Republic, during the reign of the Empire.
    – mechalynx
    Commented Apr 22, 2016 at 18:47
  • So you're saying that Ben's comment "for over a thousand generations the Jedi were the guardians...in the Old Republic" was referring to some really old regime that he didn't even experience?? Why would Ben refer to some ancient government? Of course he was talking about the situation prior to the Empire. He even says "before the Empire!". Commented Apr 24, 2016 at 3:40
  • Also in the movie, Tarkin, when referring to the Senate's disbandment says "the last remnant of the Old Republic has been swept away". The clear implication is that the Old Republic was the government that the Empire replaced, & the Senate had carried over from it until that point. Commented Apr 24, 2016 at 3:40
  • Ben could be referring to an old regime he hadn't experienced because he was referring to the complete lifetime of the Jedi Order. He then contrasts it with the present, the Empire's reign being the first time in "over a thousand generations" that the Jedi Order has not been present at all. Tarkin could also be referring to the older Republic, since he is referring to a "remnant". Yes, this is weak and it could imply that there was no New Republic in canon. However, most any canon source that refers to the Old Republic is talking about 1000 years before the prequel trilogy as well.
    – mechalynx
    Commented Apr 24, 2016 at 9:41
  • I hear you but it's a stretch IMO. I think any viewer hearing Ben & Tarkin's comments would think they're referring to the regime that the Empire replaced. Commented May 1, 2016 at 5:05

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