In The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies, Gandalf informs Bilbo that he knew he found a magic ring some time ago. Does Gandalf presume this is one of the 20 rings of power, or just some other lesser magic ring? If not a ring of power, how common are these other magic rings in LoTR? What information do we know about them, if any?

My apologies if this is a duplicate but I couldn't find the answer elsewhere.

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    I am sure this is a duplicate of something else on our site.
    – Ryan
    Commented Dec 19, 2014 at 16:32
  • Good question though! I wasn't even aware there were any lesser magic rings.
    – Rand al'Thor
    Commented Dec 20, 2014 at 16:21
  • Seven. They are seven common.
    – Wad Cheber
    Commented Jun 22, 2015 at 1:22

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Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings chapter A Long-expected Party confirms that magic rings in the general case are not too common:

Magic rings are – well, magical; and they are rare and curious.

Despite that, the Rings of Power (even those given to Men and Dwarves) are not the only magic rings in Middle-earth, as the Lord of the Rings chapter Shadow of the Past confirms:

In Eregion long ago many Elven-rings were made, magic rings as you call them, and they were, of course, of various kinds: some more potent and some less. The lesser rings were only essays in the craft before it was full-grown, and to the Elven-smiths they were but trifles – yet still to my mind dangerous for mortals. But the Great Rings, the Rings of Power, they were perilous.

Moreover, when the actual physical characteristics of the Rings are described in the Council of Elrond we see the following:

"The Nine, the Seven, and the Three," he said, "had each their proper gem. Not so the One. It was round and unadorned, as it were one of the lesser rings; but its maker set marks upon it that the skilled, maybe, could still see and read."

Because Bilbo's ring was also "round and unadorned" Gandalf can easily surmise that it was not one of the Nine, the Seven or the Three (of these only one of the Seven would have otherwise been a realistic possibility). That leaves two possibilities: it is either one of the other lesser rings, or it is the One. Of those, the balance of probability is that it is one of the lesser rings - despite being rare enough, there are still more of them than there are of the One, and the One was presumed lost.

'There I was at fault,' he said. 'I was lulled by the words of Saruman the Wise; but I should have sought for the truth sooner, and our peril would now be less.'

'We were all at fault,' said Elrond, 'and but for your vigilance the Darkness, maybe, would already be upon us. But say on!'

'From the first my heart misgave me, against all reason that I knew,' said Gandalf, 'and I desired to know how this thing came to Gollum, and how long he had possessed it. So I set a watch for him, guessing that he would ere long come forth from his darkness to seek for his treasure. He came, but he escaped and was not found. And then alas! I let the matter rest, watching and waiting only, as we have too often done.

'Time passed with many cares, until my doubts were awakened again to sudden fear. Whence came the hobbit's ring? What, if my fear was true, should be done with it? Those things I must decide. But I spoke yet of my dread to none, knowing the peril of an untimely whisper, if it went astray. In all the long wars with the Dark Tower treason has ever been our greatest foe.'

(Council of Elrond)

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    Excellent, thank you. Commented Dec 19, 2014 at 14:12
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    Out of curiosity, is there ever any mention or description of one of these supposed "lesser" rings? Or does Gandalf just claim they exist, and there's never any indication of it in the stories? (I assume these would be way more prevalent in the Silmarillion.) I'm interested in what a lesser ring's power would be like, considering how "low magic" the Middle-Earth really is.
    – asteri
    Commented Dec 19, 2014 at 22:30
  • @asteri - So far as I can find, the only mentions are the ones I've quoted.
    – user8719
    Commented Dec 20, 2014 at 4:08
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    @asteri - see this essay for a good debunking of the "Middle-earth is low-magic" common assumption: middle-earth.xenite.org/2011/10/20/…
    – user8719
    Commented Dec 21, 2014 at 22:50
  • @DarthSatan Magical artifacts are one thing. I don't see people casually tossing fireballs at one another. It's all subjective.
    – asteri
    Commented Dec 21, 2014 at 23:38

In The Shadow of the Past, Gandalf says:

‘When did I first begin to guess?’ he mused, searching back in memory. ‘Let me see – it was in the year that the White Council drove the Dark Power from Mirkwood, just before the Battle of Five Armies, that Bilbo found his ring. A shadow fell on my heart then, though I did not know yet what I feared. I wondered often how Gollum came by a Great Ring, as plainly it was – that at least was clear from the first.

indicating that he knew right from the beginning that it was a Great Ring, a Ring of Power.


I seem to recall that there are not only the rings in the books, but there are more, with lesser powers (althrough I read this in a MERP supplement). It seems very odd that Mithrandir is so unconcerned with Bilbo having a magic ring at all.

Check also this answer: What happened to the "other" Rings of Power?

  • Thanks for the link to the other question Benedikt. Commented Dec 19, 2014 at 16:36

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