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In Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man punches Doctor Octopus in the face a lot.

Since Doctor Octopus is just a normal man with robotic arms attached to his back/spine, how is he able to endure all this super-powered face punishment?

I suppose many of the people Spider-Man punches in the face aren't super-powered, so he's probably holding back most of the time.

But specifically for the movie, was this issue ever addressed?

Funnily enough someone raised this exact point on Cracked, picture #14.

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    I'm going to go with "bad writing". – Valorum Jan 6 '15 at 10:35
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    For the record, in the comic series Doc Ock is a low-level mutant with telekinetic and telepathic abilities. He's paunchy but portrayed as able to take a substantial beating. – Valorum Jan 6 '15 at 10:44
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    @Richard paunchy but portrayed as able to take a substantial beating. Noble traits indeed! – Daft Jan 6 '15 at 10:53
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    @Richard And I absolutely never knew he had telekinetic and telepathic abilities, very interesting. – Daft Jan 6 '15 at 10:54
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    In Superior Spiderman, Doc Ock inhabits Spiderman's body and discovers just how strong your friendly neighborhood superhero really is. He realizes that in all of their previous fights, Spiderman was pulling his punches. – Brian S Jan 6 '15 at 15:23
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The answer is: He shouldn't have been able to. No human without some degree of superhuman resistance should normally be expected to come away unscratched from a solid punch, or even a glancing one from someone as strong as Spider-Man is supposed to be. This is a medium translation error.

  • For this to translate effectively to the movies, without blowing the bank on CGI, they would have had to give the good doctor, the quickly glossed-over explanation, i.e. some kind of more complete body armor, skeletal enhancement or other handwavium to explain why a punch from Spider-Man didn't equal a month in traction and years of reconstructive plastic surgery.

  • No, it is never addressed and since the people who weren't fans didn't know Doc Ock's face wasn't reinforced, only millions of fan boys screamed out in theaters across the world and then fell silent.

TALE OF THE TAPE:

  • Spider-Man's superhuman strength varies depending on whose writing him. In most cases, it appears to range from 8-20 tons, with a bit of wiggle room for leverage, webbing assists and plot necessity. Granted, whenever Spider-Man fights most humans he must restrain his strength lest he harm someone by accident. This means he fights throttled back most of the time and has to be driven to use his full strength, and he only uses it if the target has been proven to be able to survive it. (See: Spider-Man vs. Firelord)

  • The Doctor's mechanical arms have great superhuman strength depending on what they're made of (titanium, adamantium, and later carbonadium) in the latter cases, allowing him to best Iron Man and hold his own against the Hulk. So their superhuman strength is more than enough to keep Spider-Man in check. Their durability does not, however, extend to the good doctor's face.

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In early depictions, Doctor Octopus' arms were so fast and powerful, Spider-Man was barely a match for them.

  • This means unless the doctor's face has some kind of enhancement, Spider-Man should make mincemeat out of the bones in the doctor's skull with any good blow. And this is where the medium translation error takes hold. No explanation is made for his increased durability.

In the comics, Spider-Man and Doc Ock sparred. A lot.

  • And in those fights, Spider-Man is almost always considered the underdog. The mechanical arms of Otto Octavius are so fast, only Spider-Man's spider-sense, working overtime, keeps him from being speared or completely crushed by the mechanical arms superhuman strength.

AS SUCH:

  • Doctor Octopus rarely takes a body blow from Spider-Man due to the insane speed of the Doctor's mechanical arms. More than fast enough to keep up with Spider-Man's preternatural quickness, what is usually depicted is Spider-Man spends most of his time on defensive and if Spider-Man is just fast enough, Doctor Octopus' arms protect him by instinctively blocking at the last moment, protecting his face/body like a boxer.

  • This has made for some of Spider-Man's most challenging fights because, while the Doctor's body is relatively fragile, his arms weave an area of protection around him Spider-Man can't afford to get too close to, since if he gets grabbed by the Doctor's arms, they can rip him apart.

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In contests between Doc Ock and Spidey, the two would almost appear perfectly matched, so much so, you'd tend to forget Doc Ock was a normal man in this fight. But if Spider-Man landed a body blow, the battle was usually over.

IN THE COMICS:

The eventual solution (which seemed to take almost five decades for anyone to consider) to explain how Doctor Octopus ever survived fights with Spider-Man in the first place, being a portly, middle-aged scientist, was he had some kind of low-level mutation going on giving him telekinesis and presumably the ability to not explode when Spider-Man punched him in his non-armored meaty sections. In the Ultimate Marvel comic universe, they gave Octopus an entire super-powered exoskeleton...

The Earth-616 comic writers did catch up, now that Doctor Octopus is firmly on Medicare at his age and decided the good doctor would eventually need to wear an exoskeletal harness to support his body from years of super-powered beatdowns taking their toll on him.

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Doctor Octopus in his first appearance and Doctor Octopus before his demise in his exo-life support armor.

Wikipedia reports:

Doctor Octopus has begun wearing a full-body armor suit due to a crippling illness caused by the amount of punishment he has sustained over the years, made even worse by the fact that his ability to take damage is still at a human norm, even if he can deliver a superhuman level of punishment; he relies completely on his arms to prevent opponents with superhuman strength getting in close enough to damage his relatively unfit physical form even before his illness. To compensate, he has covered his entire body with his new suit, his normal arms are bound to his chest, and four additional tentacles have been added to his harness. He has also developed psychokinetic-telepathic control over an army of "Octobots" (small octopus-like drones).

In an ironic twist

When Peter Parker's body is apparently permanently hijacked by Doctor Octopus (you did know this, right?) Octavius learns first hand just how powerful Spider-Man is when he PUNCHES OFF THE JAW OF THE SCORPION...by accident.

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    Now the next question is how the good doctor keeps his balance when holding Spidey in front of him like that :-D – eirikdaude Nov 26 '15 at 13:43
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In the absence of a "word of God" explanation, we'll just have to rely on what we know about Spidey.

  • Peter is well aware that Dr Octavius is being controlled by the robot arms. He doesn't want to kill him and he repeatedly attempts to reason with him, even when that puts him at risk of injury.

  • Spider-man intentionally pulls his punches in the comics. It's reasonable to assume he does so in the films as well. Although he appears to hit Ock pretty hard (and even blasts him with a desk), there's nothing that would definitively kill a human-normal human.

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  • The only time that Spider-man kills people is by accident.

  • In the Raimi-verse, his refusal to kill is so well known that even a retired housewife knows about it. The mere suggestion that he's killed someone leaves her dumbfounded:

Aunt May: Oh my. What happened?

Peter: Spider-man killed him.

Aunt May: Spider-man? I don’t understand. Spider-man doesn’t kill people. What happened?

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  • I forgot how nutballs that Doc Ock/Aunt May scene was in Spider-Man 2. What comic is that last panel from? Is Spidey fighting Wolverine? – Paul D. Waite Jan 26 '15 at 21:32
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    @PaulD.Waite - Yup. davefem.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/… – Valorum Jan 26 '15 at 21:56
  • Aha, I guess in this comic: marvel.wikia.com/Spider-Man_Versus_Wolverine_Vol_1_1 – Paul D. Waite Jan 27 '15 at 10:09
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    Aunt May may simply be repeating something that Peter has said at one point in time. It's very likely that if Aunt May is aware of Spiderman, that she must've talked about him with Peter. E.g. they're watching a broadcast, Aunt May mumbles something about not understanding Spiderman's goals, Peter plays the innocent kid and says something like "maybe he just doesn't like killing". In that case, Aunt May's later statement (which you refer to) isn't based on what she observes, but what she's been told (by Spiderman himself, even if she doesn't know that). – Flater Sep 27 '17 at 14:12
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I could say that Peter must've held back, which is also true, but I still have a hard time believing that even with held back power Doc Ock simply shrugged off Spidey's punches like nothing. I'd chalk it up as "bad writing". We know that even a small fraction of Peter's power is enough to knock a person out cold, let alone getting flicked in the face by Spidey's fingers.

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The answer is: There is none. There is no way Doc Ock should not have landed in a coma from Spider-Man's punches, let alone survive.

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Doc Oc's neural interface influences his nervous system (we see the AI in his tentacles has some control over his emotions). It is possible, though not directly explained in the movie AFAIK, that it suppresses his pain and boosts his strength, like being high on speed can do.

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