Okay, obviously beyond Data and the Soong-type androids. But seriously, we have more robots in our daily life now than there apparently are on Trek. Is there a canon answer why not? It seems like Star Wars is more on the nose in this regard - it’s unclear why all dirty/dangerous/boring work wouldn’t be done by robots (anthropomorphic or not).
18After the AI disaster in TOS, the federation became weary of AI in general. In a world with replication technology, non-intelligent robots are pointless.– DampeS8NDec 15, 2011 at 20:01
6@DampeS8N - that explains why Data didn't show up until TNG - but where are all of the Trek Roombas ;)?– Chris B. BehrensDec 15, 2011 at 20:11
4What use are Roombas when you have energy-related means to remove dust?– DampeS8NDec 15, 2011 at 20:17
3It could also have been to: Cut production costs, focus more on the human stories, and because having a lot of robots is kind of gimmicky.– TeknophiliaDec 19, 2011 at 17:46
4Don't the ships count as robots? They've freaking intelligent AIs...– LexibleJan 18, 2015 at 4:33
This isn't an in-universe answer to the question, but when I was pitching stories to Trek, I went over some storylines with my agent before pitching and was given a strict "No androids" rule. She (my agent) told me that it was Jeri Taylor's position that Data was unique and that there were no other robots or androids of that level of sophistication in the Federation. I notice this rule held, since the only other androids were Lore, Data's Mother (Juliana Tainer) and Data's daughter (Lal).
There was no in-universe rationalization and I never did find out what Jeri's reasoning for that was. When you're pitching to producers, it's not exactly a good time to say, "Why did you make this rule?" - you just accept the rule and don't argue!
Obviously it's been a while, but I also remember being told not to pitch anything about Jack Crusher, avoid the "space seed" stories (not Khan, but about the Big E finding some spore or seed in space that grows into an alien) and if Q comes back, do NOT include any references to Vash or Q-pid because they would rather just forget that episode ever happened. I can't remember the other off-limits stories, unfortunately.
8Very cool. Did any of your scripts get produced? Dec 15, 2011 at 19:39
13@ChrisB.Behrens: No. While I got good responses, while I was pitching, they came up with the 2 parter ("Unification") that then needed to rush through to tie in with ST:VI, so they shut out all the freelancers. By the time they were taking pitches from freelancers again, I was in the middle of a divorce and didn't have time to work on my writing.– TangoDec 15, 2011 at 19:47
7@TangoOversway The reason for the rule on androids and Data is pretty obvious: It would undermine the entire reason for nearly all the plotlines involving Data and his development. Dec 15, 2011 at 21:58
7@TangoOversway - On the plus side you can not be blamed at all for the development of Wesley Crusher :)– ChadDec 16, 2011 at 15:51
7This answer really just seems to address why there aren't more humanlike android robots (with humanlike intelligence), but it doesn't answer the part of the original question about why they don't have unhumanlike "dumb" robots for routine tasks, as we do even today. The endings of Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness would have been very different if they had some sort of maintenance bot that could be sent in to do a simple physical task in a chamber with high radiation, for example. And in TMP, we see space-suited humans working on the Enterprise...why not leave such physical labor to robots? Jul 6, 2014 at 19:01
There were androids in TOS: the Mudd androids in the episode "I, Mudd", built "for the purpose of performing necessary service functions".
Memory Alpha has a list of various self-aware machines, as well as a list of self-aware programs. These could be considered either advanced robots or simple androids due to their capacity to think and perform independent judgements.
Arguably, a ship's computer (along with the whole ship itself) could be considered a giant robot, capable of interacting with it's human operators and performing various tasks requested of it.
3I think we're getting somewhere with this...there's a recurring theme, when you take "The Ultimate Computer", "Quality of Life" (the exocomps) and Data in general all together, what it appears is that pretty much the second you make anything usefully intelligent, it becomes self-aware, and all of the ethical questions swoop. IIRC from "The Offspring", they're probably also unstable. That may be the in-universe answer. Everything that doesn't require that much intelligence you can probably handle with non-robotic solutions... Dec 15, 2011 at 20:26
There were the Exocomps and the Nanites. Also, the automated spacedock that NX-01 encountered. I imagine there must have been more manufacturing-type robots, but we never really see that side of life in the Federation.
Of course, after Exocomps and Nanites became self-aware, maybe Starfleet started frowning on new autonomous tech, wary of dealing with creating new life forms.
The Doctor from Voyager basically became a robot with his personal holographic projector device.
The computers are obviously sophisticated enough to support interactive artificial intelligences (holograms), it seems to me the computer could also just pipe that behavior into a humanoid robot. Even if the robot isn't independent, it would wirelessly be controlled by the computer based on the behavior of the program.
Perhaps Star Fleet decided to follow the convictions of Werner von Braun:
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft, and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
10"Unskilled?" Speak for yourself! ;)– gnoviceDec 15, 2011 at 21:43
1Don't forget Professor Moriarty! Dec 15, 2011 at 21:59
This is from an exploration viewpoint.
Star Trek is supposed to be a reflection of what we want to do in the future. We don't want to explore the galaxy using robots because exploration by robots is a compromise. Star Trek is a society fueled by exploration.
We celebrated when we sent the first probes on the moon but we celebrated even more when we sent men on the moon.
We celebrated when we sent the first probes on Mars, but the truth is we would rather send humans to Mars (the act of sending a probe is a compromise it is proxy exploration - we can't do it ourselves yet so we compromise)
We don't exactly celebrate everytime the Voyager1 space probe gets deeper into space. We don't exactly feel as 100 percent real space explorers.
If we ever develop true warp drives, we wont be sending a ship full of Datas or robots to command and explore on our behalf to do proxy exploration. We will want to go ourselves with robots only in support roles.
To borrow quotes from Enterprise episode Fight or Flight
ARCHER: How about the Vulcan star charts?
T'POL: We have limited data on the course Starfleet has assigned you.
ARCHER: There are thousands of star systems along this path. There must have been something that piqued your people's interest. A sentient species, a trinary star cluster.
T'POL: We don't select our destinations by what piques our interest.
ARCHER: Vulcans always need a logical and pragmatic reason.
T'POL: My people don't share your enthusiasm for exploration. (squeak) Space is vast, Captain.
The Vulcans gave humans tons of data about planets and species discovered by Vulcans. But still humans insisted on doing the exploring themselves. We don't like proxy exploration not by Vulcans and not by robots or androids.
1This is a good point. I will however point out that Voyager was not designed to be useful this far out, and at this point it basically can't detect anything. In fact, it's trajectory has changed, which we speculate may be due to encountering a large Kuiper belt object like a planet, but it had so few sensors still powered that there is literally no way to know. Just wanted to point that out. I agree with the sentiment of your response though.– DanMar 14, 2016 at 20:30
Nanites are a type of robot and got a story or two in TNG. I seem to remember there being a repair bot type of thing in one TNG story as well. And of course, the Borg are robots after a fashion (more cyborgs, really though).
It could simply be that there were none in TOS, so there were to be none in any later shows. Robots were thought of and in many stories by the 60s, so perhaps Gene Roddenberry didn't like robots. It's not so uncommon - many SciFi writers and editors of that time didn't like aliens, or robots or atomic mutations, etc
2Ah, yes - Exocomp is what I meant by "repair bot type of thing" - thanks NorbyTheGreek Dec 15, 2011 at 19:53
I think robots and artificial intelligence is an area that writers would rather avoid. Real artificial intelligence (as embodied in any myriad of physical or audible forms) would be impossible for humans to recognize as "different" because they had been designed to perfectly imitate human intelligence. That obvious identity ambiguity would be extremely problematic for a writer trying to create a story populated by Joseph Campbell-ish archetypes. They would be servants. slaves, and thus evoking unpleasant social memories and associations. And the obvious question arises: what if they become self-aware? This is probably why the "no androids/no robots" edict came about. The ambiguities would be problematic to story development, especially when you have a small group of defined characters Although I believe the infinite possibilities (and I've already written many) would present a huge and dynamic world of endless and fascinating narratives.
That's an interesting point...all of the primary Star Trek characters are ubermenschen, essentially, and there's always been a part of me that asked "what about the people are not transcendentally spectacular at their jobs?" They touched on this briefly with Barclay and, to a lesser extent, with Chief O'Brien...but Trek has always been a show about an intensely hierarchical organization that constantly shies away from hierarchy... Feb 25, 2012 at 16:28
From a pure 'TV production' standpoint, it could be that without all of the CGI technology that is available today, that it was impractical (given time and budgetary constraints) to have the art department create robots. Back then there was no way to make them move without being clunky or hokey looking, although I think that it's an area that could have been explored, especially a robot that was a left over from an alien race, perhaps an alien race that has long perished, yet the robot it still performing it's function. As both a filmmaker and a Star Trek fan, I'm seriously considering making a fan film with an alien robot.
I would argue - in line with the other answers here - that there are robotic devices in ST, but they are different and more ubiquitous than we see today. The Borg are roboticly enhanced, the Doctor is a holographicly driven robot, I am sure that there are robotic features making the ship function year on year that we never hear about.
And the Borgs Nanobots - they are robots, of a sort. Replicators - surely they would count as manufacturing robots. What there is not much of is visible or anthropomorphic robots, because they do not need to be visible or human-like. Humans are better at it than robots, so - apart form a few exceptions - let the humans get on with their parts.
And there are relatively few dirty/boring/dangerous jobs left, for a vessel of that size. Some of the routine work, I would argue, is retained for a sense of discipline and order. And the human maintenance work is done because humans are better at bug-fixing-type problem solving than computers.
And yes, sometimes people need to be in difficult situations for plot purposes. But that is a completely different issue.
Lieutenant Commander Airiam from Star Trek: Discovery is at least in part robotic, even if her true nature is a bit unclear and not fully disclosed.
She has been described in various ways, from "synthetic-Human hybrid", to "augnemnted alien" to "augmented human", but it appears rather clear that she is at least in part cybernetic.
Airiam is confirmed to be a cyborg; she was originally human (or at least a fully human looking alien) who was nearly killed in an accident, which required her to be rebuilt. Mar 19, 2019 at 16:32
In the TOS era, there are examples of both human-made AI and alien-made AI (sometimes in anthropomorphic form e.g. "I, Mudd", "What are Little Girls Made of?", sometimes in the form of "space furniture" e.g. "The Ultimate Computer", "The Return of the Archons").
In all cases, they end up adversaries of the Enterprise crew. They are depicted as overly constrained by rigidly logical decision making, which leads to:
- Undesirable actions - blowing up friendly spaceships, hijacking (or threatening to hijack the Enterprise), killing, imprisoning, or threatening to kill or "absorb" members of the Enterprise landing party, etc.
- Their being outsmarted by illogical humans
In the Start Trek universe, androids as capable as humans without flaws that make them downright dangerous are very difficult things to create. It took until TNG era for Data to appear, and his creation was so difficult he remained a unique artifact. His close copies Lore had a more human-like manner but was thoroughly antisocial, and B4 was next to useless until he effectively had Data's essence downloaded into him, ambiguously becoming replacement Data.
Out-of-universe, Data's role is to look upon humanity as an outsider amongst the (mostly) human crew; we only need the one viewpoint, so there is need of only one "Data". And, Star Trek is about human adventures in space. If there were lots of "good" robots, it could easily make the humans seem superfluous, and so much for the adventures of humans in space.
Even though we have lots of robotics in our modern world, Star Wars-like robots may be very far into our future, beyond the Star Trek settings. To imbue a mechanical device with the sort of adaptive behaviors we see in R2-D2 or C-3P0 would make it unpredictable. If you can't predict the machine's behavior, how much confidence can you place in it choosing to do the "right" or desirable thing when a human life is on the line? And without such adaptability, how useful would it really be? To get it right could take many, many decades of further development. Star Trek may have gotten it right but for the wrong reasons. The absence of robots in Star Trek served storytelling, but might turn out to be more-or-less right.
I was watching "The Ultimate Computer" last night and I was struck that one of the ships that's blown up - The Woden - is a fully autonomous, apparently warp capable, ore-carrier. The capability speaks of a highly complex computer system which system that is capable of a lot of what the M5 was touted to do.– Peter MJan 7, 2020 at 22:04
@PeterM It could be argued that the ore carrier doesn't require anywhere near the touted sophistication of M5 - it's just schlepping between well-defined terminal points, not exploring and projecting Federation might, making complex analyses and choices along the way. It might also be argued that M5 saw in the Wodin a rival, albeit an antiquated one, and felt the need to show off to its "Mother" (Daystrom), and perhaps demonstrate what will happen to any human who gets in its way (as happens shortly afterward). Jan 8, 2020 at 1:01
In the first half of that episode people were amazed that the M5 could make course changes and do things like going into a standard orbit without human intervention. That's the sort of sophistication an ore carrier would need even if it was just schlepping from between well defined points.– Peter MJan 8, 2020 at 4:35
@PeterM Have to momentarily step out of universe to consider that some of the dialog is lacking in sophistication due to the times in which the series was produced, and the constraints of budget and production schedules. Taken more broadly, M-5 was supposed to emulate human thinking (and presumably human mental flexibility) but do it faster and more efficiently - in other words, do what it had previously been believed only a human could do. The ore freighter situation was basically automation as it was already understood. Jan 11, 2020 at 3:54
The Federation has evolved beyond robots. They deal with advanced computer technology with self aware systems. The super system known as "Computer" is the Federations main source of robotic intelligence.
Why robots are not used by other alien races is a mystery, theres no reason why that is missing from the Star Trek mythology. Perhaps they are universally impractical.
1Federation computers are not normally self-aware. Creations like Moriarty were accidents that could not be reproduced. Jun 7, 2013 at 23:27
Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek is pre-Aibo/iPhone era. The stories tend to lean against the original written work. Star Trek series don't avoid robots because they weren't anticipated. No one could have known what things like Arduino or SBCs would mean for us. It gave us options and interests to think about what we might expect to see in the future.
4Robotics were extensively envisioned in scifi since the 1940s onwards.– ValorumMar 12, 2020 at 7:13
2As an example, Lost in Space had a robot as a prominent cast member and that started airing a year before Star Trek. So it can't possibly have been that they weren't anticipated.– F1KrazyMar 12, 2020 at 8:27
I never said they didn't exist. You didn't read the books obviously. Mar 14, 2020 at 21:39