Recently I watched the third Hobbit movie, The Battle of the Five Armies, and Gloin (Gimli's dad) is wearing the same helmet Gimli wears during the three The Lord of the Rings movies.

Is that canon? Is armor something passed down from father to son? Does Tolkien touch on this and the relationship between Gimli and Gloin?

  • I've edited the tags as this question is not about BoFA it's about LotR. and the books specifically, BoFA is a films tag.
    – Edlothiad
    Commented Sep 29, 2017 at 8:51

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This is a movie fabrication with no basis in canon.

In fact it actually contradicts canon, because Gimli obtained his helmet in Rohan (before the battle of Helm's Deep) so it's therefore of Mannish and not Dwarvish make. We learn this in the Two Towers chapter The King of the Golden Hall:

Gimli needed no coat of rings, even if one had been found to match his stature, for there was no hauberk in the hoards of Edoras of better make than his short corslet forged beneath the Mountain in the North. But he chose a cap of iron and leather that fitted well upon his round head...

It's therefore impossible for Glóin to have been wearing the same helmet.

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    Nitpicking: Maybe Gloin lost the helmet, and it somehow ended up in Edoras' armoury. Seeing how it fit well upon his head it may actually be of Dwarvish make.
    – SBoss
    Commented Jan 12, 2015 at 16:47
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    @SBoss - it would have actually had to have ended up in Gondor if so, because in the preceding paragraph we see Theoden saying "Swords you do not need, but there are helms and coats of mail of cunning work, gifts to my fathers out of Gondor". But even if so, one could equally speculate that perhaps both helmets were built from the same Easterling assembly line in the Second Age, and have just as much evidence to support it, i.e none.
    – user8719
    Commented Jan 12, 2015 at 16:54
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    Just because Theoden mentions the gift out of Gondor does not mean that every single helmet present there must have been a gift out of Gondor. They probably still had some spare armor lying around when they received the gifts.
    – Flater
    Commented Sep 29, 2017 at 8:01
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    – Null
    Commented Sep 29, 2017 at 13:50

About your question if armor in the books is something that is passed down to younger generarions: as far as I can remember, there is no mention about Gimli inheriting his father weapons and armor1, but considering that for what we know of their culture they had a very strong sense of family, it is not implausible that they could have had items that were considered "sacred heirlooms", given from father to son.

In the movies, Gloin was intentionally depicted in a way that resembled Gimli, in more than a point of view: apart the physical resemblance (similar beards and hairstyle with the same color) they shared the same helm, the same axe, and more or less the same armor style with the same reddish/brown hue.

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This was done to add to the sense of continuity of the two movie series and to make more evident that these two characters are strongly related.

I remember, from the DVD extras of the Hobbit movies, that the producers wanted to give every dwarf "family" some common traits2, some subtle similar features (weapons, clothes, hairstyles and beards) that tied even from a visual point of view those characters that were relatives and had stronger family bonds. If you look at the thirteen dwarves together

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you can see that, in example, Thorin, Fili and Kili have a loose visual resemblance, just like Balin and Dwalin or Oin and Gloin.

Gloin himself, then, when seen together all other Dwarves, is immediately recognizable as the most similar to Gimli, his physical appearance is very distinctive and suggest his family ties. Add to this that using the same exact helm and axe was also a little easter egg.

1. Or just wearing some in the same style. Dwarves were known to be strong and vigorous even in their old age, and Gloin was not that old for dwarf standards during the War of the Ring: it is possible that he still needed his battle gear for himself.
2. While preserving also each character individuality and unique features.

  • According to the accepted answer, Gimli acquired his helmet in Rohan. According a a comment on that answer, the helmet was a gift to Rohan from Gondor.
    – Blackwood
    Commented Sep 28, 2017 at 21:41
  • Yes. But I don't get your point.
    – Sekhemty
    Commented Sep 29, 2017 at 0:27
  • Well the question was whether Gimli was wearing Glóin's helmet. Unless you don't agree that Gimli's helmet came from Gondor, the answer must be "no". The part of your answer that addresses the question appears to say "it could be" rather than "no".
    – Blackwood
    Commented Sep 29, 2017 at 0:34
  • OP also more generally asks Is armor something passed down from father to son?, that's what I was addressing; the fact that Gimli acquired an helm in Rohan does not answer to this part of the question, that why I said "it could be"
    – Sekhemty
    Commented Sep 29, 2017 at 0:39
  • Okay. I read that as just a looser reference to the helmet mentioned in title, but I see what you mean.
    – Blackwood
    Commented Sep 29, 2017 at 0:44

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