In the movie of The Two Towers, there is an Entmoot, in which the Ents decide not to go to war.

Then, after Treebeard sees what Sauruman has done to the forest, he calls for the Ents to go to war.

How does Treebeard have authority to do this without another Entmoot?

  • Didn't they decide to go to war? Can't really remember Commented Jan 25, 2015 at 17:31
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    In the book, the Entmoot decided to go to war with Saruman. In the movie, they did not, so that Merry and Pippin could actually do something rather than merely being passive observers of events.
    – Mike Scott
    Commented Jan 25, 2015 at 17:38
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    My understanding is that he calls them to the edge of the forest and they, seeing the devastation, spontaneously agree to attack Sauron's encampment.
    – Valorum
    Commented Jan 25, 2015 at 17:39
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    New information: they hadn't yet seen the devastation Saruman wrought upon the part of the forest nearest Isengard.
    – Lexible
    Commented Jan 25, 2015 at 17:47
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    Remember the movies are not Canon, just eyecandy. In the Books, the Entmoot chose to go to war.
    – user133621
    Commented Nov 16, 2020 at 16:21

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The short version is that Jackson took some liberties with this part of the story.

In the book, Entmoot decides to attack Isengard, and they decide surprisingly quickly:

'Hoom, hom! Here we come with a boom, her we come at last!' called Treebeard when he caught sight of Bregalad and the hobbits. 'Come, join the Moot! We are off. We are off to Isengard!'


'The Ents made up their minds rather quickly, after all, didn't they?' Pippin ventured to say after some time, when for a moment the singing paused, and only the beating of hands and feet was heard.

'Quickly?' said Treebeard. 'Hoom! Yes, indeed. Quicker than I expected. Indeed I have not seen them roused like this for many an age. We Ents do not like being roused; and we never are roused unless it is clear to us that our trees and our lives are in danger. That has not happened in this Forest since the wars of Sauron and the Men of the Sea. It is the orc-work, the wanton hewing - rárum - without even the bad excuse of feeding the fires, that has so angered us; and the treachery of a neighbour, who should have helped us. Wizards ought to know better: they do know better. There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men bad enough for such treachery. Down with Saruman!'

The Two Towers book 3, chapter 4 "Treebeard"

The idea that the Ents initially decide not to get involved is purely an invention of Jackson, and he likely did it so he could have his cake and eat it too: in the movie, we have a very poignant scene when Treebeard walks out of Fangorn and sees the devestation surrounding Isengard:

Treebeard: Many of these trees were my friends, creatures I had known from nut and acorn.
Pippin: I'm sorry, Treebeard.
Treebeard: They had voices of their own...[Looks towards Isengard; angrily] Saruman! A wizard should know better! [He roars] There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery!

A version of this scene exists in the book (and note the similarity between the book and movie at "A wizard should know better"), but the lines are given to Bregalad, also called Quickbeam1, an Ent whose sole purpose in the story is to keep Merry and Pippin entertained while the Moot is going on.

Rather than give up this scene along with the frankly unnecessary character of Bregalad, which does a lot to get the audience sympathizing with the Ents and their cause, Jackson decided to shake up the chronology a bit and give the lines to Treebeard.

As to how Treebeard has the authority to do this, the main reason they decided not to attack was that they didn't believe the war was affecting them; as Treebeard says earlier:

Pippin: And whose side are you on?
Treebeard: "Side"? I am on nobody's "side", because nobody is on my side, little Orc. Nobody cares for the trees anymore.

And then when justifying the Moot's decision:

Treebeard: It's not our war.

Although Treebeard (and, by extension, the other Ents) are under no illusions that Saruman is good for the world, they don't yet realize that he's so bad for the forest. Seeing the wholesale destruction educates them, which of course is what Pippin was counting on.

Ultimately I have to agree with Richard's comment: Treebeard merely showed the other Ents the truth about what was going on, and that was enough to rouse them. Jackson is just taking a shortcut by not showing us the part where all of the other Ents mourn the dead trees and then shout angrily into the sky, before getting to the interesting bits.

1 So named because he once replied "Yes" before another Ent had finished asking the question. No significance to that, I just think it's a funny story and one of the many humanizing anecdotes that represent why I love these books.


Treebeard is actually one of the oldest Ents, therefore he was most likely well respected and has higher authority among the Ents.


Treebeard was the eldest person of Middle-earth, obviously being created along with the Ents during the Years of the Trees, before the creation of the stars; although he said that there were trees in Fangorn that were "older than he". His realm was the immense forest that spanned from Beleriand and Eriador to Calenardhon and saw it destroyed and diminishing by the centuries. From the Elder Days, Treebeard had memories of the willow-meads of Tasarinan, the elm-woods of Ossiriand, the pine-trees of Dorthonion and the beeches of Neldoreth.

The original Entmoot showed that they did not want to go to war but Treebeard convinced them after seeing the destruction Saruman's orcs were doing.

The Ents—usually a very patient, deliberate people—did become angry at Saruman, whose armies were cutting down large numbers of their trees. Treebeard convened an Entmoot, a meeting of the Ents at Derndingle.

After lengthy deliberation Treebeard led them marching on Saruman's fortress at Isengard in March 3, accompanied by the two Hobbits: the last march of the Ents. In the Battle of Isengard they destroyed the valley and trapped Saruman in the tower of Orthanc.

Related : Answered question as to how old Treebeard is..

How old is Treebeard?

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    Your first quote is kind of contradicting itself- "Treebeard was the eldest person... trees in Fangorn that were 'older than he'." This is why I don't trust wiki :/ Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 13:46
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    @LepelLeLama It's not necessarily self-contradictory; being the oldest person doesn't automatically make you the oldest thing Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 14:59
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    @LepelLeLama The first trees were created by the music of the Ainur. Yavanna asked Ilúvatar to make the Ents to protect the trees after Aulë fashioned the dwarves.
    – KSmarts
    Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 17:31
  • There's actually no evidence I'm aware of that Treebeard was one of the original ents, although it's commonly assumed that he was and the Wiki quote is evidently based on that common assumption.
    – user8719
    Commented Jan 27, 2015 at 13:01
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    Actually from what I've read online he's spoke about how he remembered the time of the elves teaching the trees to speak, this shows he is pretty old. Commented Jan 27, 2015 at 17:25

Treebeard is the 'eldest of all elder things'. In short, he has the authority for decisive action.

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    Could you expand on that? i.e. What does it mean to be the 'eldest of all elder things'? and where does it say that? :)
    – Möoz
    Commented Feb 6, 2015 at 1:15

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