In WoT 13, Towers of Midnight, Tam is with Perrin and Rand at the same time. He goes to Rand, talks with him. At the same time, it is told him speaking with Perrin and crew. No mention of him being taken from Perrin's side by Aes Sedai. Because then Perrin would know all about what was happening in Tear from the Aes Sedai. No mention of Tam coming back either. It says Rand sent Tam back to Two Rivers.

How was Tam in both places at the same time?

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    There is a mention of tam being taken, right before or after the battle to free faile. you have to understand that perrin's story is out of sync time wise to the rest of the books. perrins story is some times as much as a couple months behind the main story line, it finally catches up once they meet with Galad, and arrive in camelyn. And tam does not come back, he does return to the two rivers and arrives back to perrin before the final battles with a final group of two rivers men, as well as a large supply of arrows that rand had tam prepare.
    – Himarm
    Jan 30 '15 at 20:56
  • So, what's your question?
    – phantom42
    Jan 30 '15 at 21:12
  • This was a common question/discussion on fan sites when the book came out. I'm surprised it hasn't been asked here yet.
    – user31178
    Jan 31 '15 at 0:12

No, Tam's not really with both of them at the same time. That novel just does a terrible job of explaining where the various characters are in relation to each other's time lines.

This isn't the first time, either; Crossroads of Twilight was almost entirely scenes that ran in parallel to the end of Winter's Heart.

In Towers of Midnight, you need to pay attention to the times that Perrin "sees" Rand, either through his visions or, near the end, in person. That will give you a clue how far back you need to go to find that same spot in Rand's point of view. In particular, in The Gathering Storm, Cadsuane brings Tam to Rand in an attempt to stop him from going full-evil; however, when we first see Perrin in Towers of Midnight, this hasn't happened yet. It's not until much later in Perrin's story that we reach the point where Rand is atop Dragonmount going nuclear, which happened right after Rand's fight with Tam.

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    its not actually that bad in explaining time relations, because almost every scene with perrin or with mat gives a vision of the others to compare where they are at in the story, Perrins story particularly is almost always behind though, more so then the others. but this is something you see most fantasy writters doing, we see it extensively in the game of thrones series, and in the malazan series. ( the 2 most comparable series in length and scope)
    – Himarm
    Jan 30 '15 at 22:18
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    no, once you know what to look for it's fine, but I'm pretty sure I didn't make the connection until very late in Perrin's story line that we had jumped back several days. At least in CoT it was obvious from the fact that everyone was staring at the Cleansing.
    – KutuluMike
    Jan 31 '15 at 1:08
  • Now I know, I was still reading while I asked. Now I read in Chapter 29, when Tam comes to Perrin and asks leave to go to Rand. Thanks.
    – ATOzTOA
    Jan 31 '15 at 1:20
  • Yes, it is very bad at explaining. Nothing like this has happened in the other 13+1 books, and this book has been known to be rushed, so…
    – o0'.
    Feb 14 '15 at 13:26
  • Good thing the internal search works well when you start typing your question, so I found this answer before I posted the same question. Also thanks from my side for the answer. And I am used to parallel or a bit of time discrepancy between characters but here it could have been done differently, by placing the Perrin chapters earlier...
    – Thomas
    Aug 13 '18 at 6:32

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