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I finished the first book recently, and am watching the movie. It threw me that the navigators look like they do in the movie.

I don't remember them being non-humanoid, and if they were I missed it.

So, in the novels, are they? And if so, where is it first mentioned? Please avoid spoilers.

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    you get some explanations in the main series and a far more in depth explanation throughout the novels by his son. – Himarm Mar 25 '15 at 0:14
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    i dont believe they actually describe what a navigator looks like in the first dune? but in the second book i remember them clearly. or rather, they dont interact in the first book, where as they do in subsequent books – Himarm Mar 25 '15 at 0:15
  • There is no way to give your an answer without quoting the books that follow the first of this wonderfull series :) – user43540 Mar 25 '15 at 19:39
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The appearance from the movie (assuming you are talking about the David Lynch version; I haven't seen the others) is not inconsistent with the books.

They are human, or, rather, they were. But they don't look it now, and you would be hard pressed to prove it to anyone who didn't know their history. Keep reading, it's explained in the later books.

As far as I can tell, it's only alluded to in Dune (Paul mentions his intent to spot a Navigator, only to be scolded by Leto); but in Dune Messiah, it's made quite clear.

In Dune:

“I’m going to watch our screens and try to see a Guildsman.”

“You won’t. Not even their agents ever see a Guildsman. The Guild’s as jealous of its privacy as it is of its monopoly. Don’t do anything to endanger our shipping privileges, Paul.”

Then, in Dune Messiah, right at the beginning:

Scytale looked at the Guild envoy. Edric swam in a container of orange gas only a few paces away. His container sat in the center of the transparent dome which the Bene Gesserit had built for this meeting. The Guildsman was an elongated figure, vaguely humanoid with finned feet and hugely fanned membranous hands—a fish in a strange sea. His tank’s vents emitted a pale orange cloud rich with the smell of the geriatric spice, melange.

  • Do you know where in the first book, their appearance is mentioned? – nobrandheroes Mar 25 '15 at 0:15
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    I've only read the first book but I've always interpreted them as human anyway; a possibility I must admit is that I tend to mix them up with King-Emperor Huon from Moorcock's Runestaff books! – user8719 Mar 25 '15 at 0:15
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    I found Lynch's depiction of the guild quite compelling. The "translation" device really highlighted how they were well on the way to post-human. – John Meacham Mar 25 '15 at 4:24
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    The depiction in the Children of Dune miniseries seems to closely match the description from the books. – user31178 Mar 25 '15 at 5:12
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    @RobertF - I would guess that it's Scytale detecting a very slight amount with a very strong smell. Melange has a very well known, characteristic smell, and given that this was a VERY sensitive meeting among people who really didn't trust each other it was probably in a very odor-clean environment. We don't really have (that I know of) and data on the Odor Detection Threshold of Melange, but with these only marginally human / near-superhuman beings, the tiny amount vented as part of refreshing the air could well be noticeable. – K-H-W Dec 7 '15 at 21:57
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In the first book (Dune), the only description we have is of two of their agents, who're described as "men" with no indication of non-humanoid features:

He and his companion pushed through to the barrier lances, which were raised at a nod from Paul. The two men stepped out and the taller leveled an arm at Paul, said: “You may very well be under embargo for your—”
“If I hear any more nonsense from either of you,” Paul said, “I’ll give the order that’ll destroy all spice production on Arrakis … forever.”
“Are you mad?” the tall Guildsman demanded. He fell back half a step.
“You grant that I have the power to do this thing, then?” Paul asked.
The Guildsman seemed to stare into space for a moment, then: “Yes, you could do it, but you must not.”
“Ah-h-h,” Paul said and nodded to himself. “Guild navigators, both of you, eh?”
“Yes!”

It's not until the second book (Dune Messiah) that finally we meet a true Steersman, one of those capable of piloting a heighliner;

Scytale shifted his gaze from Irulan to the tank, inviting the Princess to share his viewpoint. She would, Scytale knew, see Edric as a repellent figure: the bold stare, those monstrous feet and hands moving softly in the gas, the smoky swirling of orange eddies around him. She would wonder about his sex habits, thinking how odd it would be to mate with such a one. Even the field-force generator which recreated for Edric the weightlessness of space would set him apart from her now.

and

“You know what is said of Alia?” Scytale asked, probing.
“What do you mean?” Again, the fish-man was agitated.

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    While you are providing all the relevant quotes, I would like to add to this that it never seemed to me that Herbert actually wanted to distinguish between steersmen and navigators, and if he did it was just cheap and ineffective retconning that caused more confusion than it solved. Instead, he just forgot or did not care that he mentioned navigators to be humanoid in Dune (given that the “navigators” from your first quote have no resaon to lie) and decided that he wanted them to look different in Dune Messiah. It’s one of the most blatant changes to the universe comitted by Herbert. – Wrzlprmft Mar 25 '15 at 6:58
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    @wrzlpmft - I always assumed that it was because the guild had groundside and airside staff. In the first novel we only see their agents. – Valorum Mar 25 '15 at 8:33
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    But then why would the agents have all-black eyes, which is linked to a heavy spice consumption (IIRC) and usually concealed by them by wearing glasses, contact lenses or similar? Also, if I recall correctly, the proposed distinction in terminology is not made in the later novels. – Wrzlprmft Mar 25 '15 at 8:58
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    If you take the later novels into consideration, the "agents" are still very heavily spice-addicted but haven't undergone the same spontaneous mutation that the steersmen go through. – Valorum Mar 25 '15 at 12:27
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    The difference in agents and navigators, I guess, is what has confused me. Their appearance in the first novel is what I assumed to be the navigators. Thank you for pointing that out. – nobrandheroes Mar 25 '15 at 15:32
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The other answers covered the original Frank Herbert books.

But the prequels (by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson) expand that information significantly and very explicitly show that Navigators are simply spice-mutated humans.

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    The very first Navigator was Norma Cenva, and the details are covered in The Battle of Corrin:

    Her direct physical senses were deadened, and Norma no longer cared about taste, touch, or smell ... She found it remarkable to see webbing between her fingers and toes. Her face, once blunt-featured and later flawlessly beautiful, now had a small mouth and tiny eyes surrounded by smooth folds. Her head was immense, while the rest of her body atrophied to a useless appendage

  • Dune times

    More contemporary storyline close to Paul Atreides' time was the story of how D'murr Pilru became a Navigator (he was a human from Ix) in Prelude to Dune trilogy.

  • I don't have the D'murr books now, but will try to find the quotes later – DVK-on-Ahch-To Mar 25 '15 at 15:18
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I don't have a ton of quotes handy, but as you probably recall towards the end of the first book, the guild navigators have the blue eyes indicating an addiction to spice. As others have indicated, Dune Messiah (second book) is really the first description of a steersman (Edric) who is described as a fish-like being who constantly hovers in a tank filled with spice gas.

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In my mind, I always pictured navigators being smaller than the image above. I am currently reading the second book, so I may (probably am) wrong in my guess, but I assume that a navigator's fish-like body is some mutation/side-effect of super-serious spice addiction, since the navigator essentially is 24/7 suffocated with spice.

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    For what it's worth, that illustration looks almost identical to the depiction in David Lynch's Dune film: youtu.be/AGqdE1NdMTg?t=20s It may be concept art for the film, or fan art based on it. – duskwuff Mar 25 '15 at 17:12
  • @duskwuff -- It may also be from another source, as well, but that picture also shows in the newer release (I believe the TV version) of David Lynch's Dune; they removed Iruluan's narration and added a different voiceover with various pictures, that one included. – K-H-W Mar 25 '15 at 18:10
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    Entertainingly, those black suits worn by the Guild memebers? Body bags.. Not only that, USED body bags.. a detail kept from the cast until after shooting was over. – K-H-W Mar 25 '15 at 18:14
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    @K-H-W "Ah-h-h!" Given the circumstances, then, I suspect it was indeed created as concept art for the film, then reused for the introduction in the shorter cut. Either way, the film is essentially a separate story which shares some plot points; it's irreconcilable with the written canon. – duskwuff Mar 25 '15 at 21:17
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    @K-H-W: References? – Hydra119 Feb 18 '17 at 20:58

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