Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Neville, and Luna share a carriage from Hogsmeade Station to Hogwarts in Order of the Phoenix. Of course, this is when Harry sees Thestrals for the first time, having witnessed Cedric Diggory's murder a month or so before. When he expresses shock and trepidation at the now-visible-to-him Thestrals waiting to pull the carriages, Ron considers Harry as if Harry were totally mad. Ron is genuinely baffled at Harry's behavior, and expresses he has no idea what Harry might be referring to. Ultimately, Luna is the one who tries to put Harry at ease:

‘Can’t ... can’t you see them?’

‘See what?’

‘Can’t you see what’s pulling the carriages?’

Ron looked seriously alarmed now.

‘Are you feeling all right, Harry?’

‘I ... yeah ...’

Harry felt utterly bewildered. The horse was there in front of him, gleaming solidly in the dim light issuing from the station windows behind them, vapour rising from its nostrils in the chilly night air. Yet, unless Ron was faking – and it was a very feeble joke if he was – Ron could not see it at all.

‘Shall we get in, then?’ said Ron uncertainly, looking at Harry as though worried about him.

‘Yeah,’ said Harry. ‘Yeah, go on ...’

‘It’s all right,’ said a dreamy voice from beside Harry as Ron vanished into the coach’s dark interior. ‘You’re not going mad or anything. I can see them, too.’

‘Can you?’ said Harry desperately, turning to Luna. He could see the bat-winged horses reflected in her wide silvery eyes.

‘Oh, yes,’ said Luna, ‘I’ve been able to see them ever since my first day here. They’ve always pulled the carriages. Don’t worry. You’re just as sane as I am.’

Order of the Phoenix - pages 179 - 180 - Chapter ten, Luna Lovegood - Bloomsbury

Why on earth would Ron not know what a Thestral is? They're listed in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, a first year textbook, under Winged Horses. As well, Ron is a generational pureblood wizard -- how could he not have heard of Thestrals? (It's kind of like Harry not hearing a word about the Trace until he's almost 17, even though he's been accused of underage magic at least three times throughout the series).

When Harry talks about the Thestrals to Ron, Hermione is out of earshot, but it would seem like a conversation Ron might share with Hermione out of concern for Harry. Undoubtedly -- at least I think so -- Hermione would know that Harry was seeing Thestrals, even if she couldn't see the Thestrals herself, and she could have informed Ron accordingly, had Ron confided in her.

Why wouldn't Ron know what Thestrals are?

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    Ron reading a textbook? Voluntarily? Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 14:45
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    Hermione would have just clucked, and said why didn't either of you ever read Hogwarts a history. Honestly rons biggest flaw is that hes so thick, he almost never makes connections in his brain. Ron probably does "know" what a threstral is, but Ron also doesn't make the connection to threstrals because harry never describes them, ron in absence of evidence, assumes the carriages move by magic, and harry is nuts. you never can win with that guy /sigh.
    – Himarm
    Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 14:47
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    "You’re just as sane as I {{Luna}} am." - Best Backwards Compliment Ever. Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 17:36
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    @dvk a backhanded compliment is an insult disguised as a compliment. Luna is not that type of person to insult harry, nor would she use herself as the butt of a joke. And I'm sure it's not a retort for harry having called her crazy or loony because he doesn't.
    – user16696
    Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 18:28
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    If Thestrals were the traditional carriage pullers, then this should be common knowledge among the pupils. Many earlier pupils in Luna and Harry's situation would have seen them and this would have spread among the school population. Even if Ron's older siblings had never mentioned the fact, word about how the carriages were powered should be common knowledge.
    – user43621
    Commented Mar 27, 2015 at 12:41

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Let's look over some of the possbile explanations of why Ron ought to have known, and analyze each one for plausibility

  1. "Ron should have known that Harry was talking about Thestrals"

    Even making an assumption that Ron knew what Thestrals were (unlikely as per next bullets), what we've got here, as a classic movie said is a failure of communication.

    This is 100% of what Ron knows, from Harry saying:

    ‘Can’t you see what’s pulling the carriages?’

    No description. Not even an indication it's a beast. For all Ron knows, it's an invisible *hem hem* Ford Anglia.

    Please note that "invisible beast" isn't exactly an obvious clue even for Hermione, who knows what Thestrals are:

    “What’s doing it?” Parvati demanded in a terrified voice, retreating behind the nearest tree.
    “What’s eating it?”
    “Thestrals,” said Hagrid proudly and Hermione gave a soft “Oh!” of comprehension at Harry’s shoulder. “Hogwarts has got a whole herd of ‘em in here. Now, who knows -?”

  2. "Thestrals are in the textbook so Ron should have known."

    • As smartalecs in the comments pointed out, we're talking Ron here. He wouldn't have read the textbook before the school year starts, and Thestrals were covered by Hagrid in the fifth year, after this conversation at the carriages.

    • Even setting that aside, the textbook does NOT say anywhere that Thestrals are used for Hogwarts carriages. So, in the vaishingly unlikely event that Ron read it, he wouldn't necessarily have made the connection to harry's cryptic remark.

  3. "Ron grew up in wizarding family"

    • I seriously doubt that a 15 year old would have a conversation with their parents about beasts that are only visible to people who witnessed death.

    • That aside, there's no proof that either of the Weasley parents would know what Thestrals are in detail. Neither strikes me as a Rhodes scholar who memorizes textbooks for fun like Hermione. We don't know if they took CoMC class in Year 5 of their schooling (it's an elective). We don't even know if the Thestrals were studied during their time at Hogwarts- as "nobody told Hagrid" note in Harry's copy of the book indicates, it's quite likely that Hagrid was the first person around to domesticate a bunch of Thestrals.

    Presumably, Charlie would know, but I don't get the impression from the books that Charlie spent too much time with Ron discussing magical beasts (as opposed to Quidditch).

  4. "Ron would have shared with Hermione"

    • First, it's not impossible that he did. I don't recall in the book any proof that he did NOT find out about Thestrals after that near-carriage conversation. They don't discuss Thestrals until the lesson with Hagrid waaaay later.

    • Second, most likely the "I got the emotional range of a tea-spoon" Ron would have forgotten all about this after 5 minutes.

  5. *Bonus round: "If Ron had told Hermione, she would have figured it out"

    Even if Ron did tell Hermione (I don't think that's likely):

    • As we see in bullet #1, Hermione didn't make the leap from "invisible animal" to "Thestral" immediately either, despite knowing what they are from the book:

      “What’s doing it?” Parvati demanded in a terrified voice, retreating behind the nearest tree.
      “What’s eating it?”
      “Thestrals,” said Hagrid proudly and Hermione gave a soft “Oh!” of comprehension at Harry’s shoulder. “Hogwarts has got a whole herd of ‘em in here. Now, who knows -?”

    • Also, there's no proof that Hogwarts: A History mentions the "rare" black Thestrals pulling the carriage - and it's very plausible that it wouldn't because I am guessing Hagrid may have been the first one to domesticate them.

      • We know he was the first one to domesticate Hippogriffs.

      • And it'd be more likely that the non-invisible flying horses pulled Hogwarts carriages in the years past, like Beauxbatons'.

      • And it does sound like vintage Hagrid, to use the XXXXX carnivorous beasts considered "unlucky" by average Wizard (see Pravati's reaction).

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    +1 for calling me out as a smartalec (actually good answer though) Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 18:23
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    Hagrid said that he had the only domestic herd of Thestrals in Britain in the fifth book.
    – rah4927
    Commented Mar 27, 2015 at 12:41
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    @Slytherincess - FB doesn't seem to be "100% of this material is for first year" - as evidenced by Thestrals being taught by Hagrid in year 5. Meaning, Ron is guaranteed to have never read that chapter :0 Commented Apr 2, 2015 at 13:21
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    Beauxbuttons??? LOL. Commented Sep 9, 2015 at 9:04
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    @NUnnikrishnan Yes, the well-known French school for magic rabbits. Have you not heard of it? Commented Oct 10, 2017 at 7:19

Most of the wizarding community considers Thestrals to be creepy animals because of their association with death. The average wizard--if he or she even knows of their existence--does not consider Thestrals an enjoyable subject and would probably not discuss them with his or her school-aged children (e.g. Ron) unless it was necessary. Luna Lovegood was unusual in that she felt comfortable with them. A more common reaction was that of the one Slytherin boy in Hagrid's class who could also see them: he wore an expression of distaste.

As a result, Thestrals are not usually covered in Hogwarts classes below the N.E.W.T. level. Even if Thestrals are mentioned in a first-year textbook, teachers might not cover them in class--in which case only the most academically-focused students, like Hermione, would remember learning about them. They are considered a more advanced animal, probably because of the way many wizards are disturbed by them. (Also, showing them to younger students might be ineffective, since most of the students would be unable to see them at all.) Without having been shown Thestrals, the students would be less likely to remember what Thestrals were, even if they had read or heard the name before.

Whether the older Weasleys knew about Thestrals is not addressed in the books. Mr. Weasley was likely not a very good student--job requirements for wizards in Muggle Relations are notoriously easy. He might not have remembered that Thestrals existed. What Mrs. Weasley's N.E.W.T. courses were is unknown. Bill would not have needed a Care of Magical Creatures N.E.W.T. for his job, and there is no evidence that the twins took one. Most likely, only Charlie Weasley would have taken N.E.W.T.-level Care of Magical Creatures, but he seems much less inclined to glib talking or practical jokes than Bill or the twins. As a result, he might not have bothered to mention Thestrals to the rest of the family, and Ron would not have heard of them at home.

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    another good point about textbooks, are that even though thestrals were contained in the text, if the teacher never assigned that chapter for reading, or went over it in class, its not unreasonable at all for ron to not have read ahead, I know personally throughout highschool and college, we never read more then 35-50% max of any textbook, in 1 single class, other textbooks like my biology book, the book was used in bio 1 and 2, so its very reasonable since thestrals are N.E.W.T level creatures, they would not have even been covered yet.
    – Himarm
    Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 15:42
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    Let us not forget the glee older siblings find in telling tales about scary things. I doubt that the twins would have missed the chance to terrify their little brother with tales of carridge toting thestrals and murder... Ron should have known. Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 15:59
  • @MajorStackings Why would/should Fred and George know? It doesn't seem like it's common knowledge that the carriages are pulled by thestrals rather than magic. Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 16:01
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    There is no canon evidence that the twins--or any other members of the Weasley family--knew thestrals existed. I think it is safe to guess that Charlie did, because he would have had to take a Care of Magical Creatures N.E.W.T. for the job he has. Charlie, however, seems like much less of a practical joker than Bill or the twins, so he might not have bothered to tease his siblings about them.
    – E. J.
    Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 16:10
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    @MajorStackings Ah! I think there's a vast - and very important - difference between knowing of the existence of thestrals in general and knowing that the Hogwarts carriages are drawn by them or making the connection in the scene Slytherincess has picked out. Ron probably did know that thestrals existed, but that doesn't mean he'd automatically think thestrals in that specific situation. Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 16:38

I think we can assume that Ron had seen the page of Fantastic Beasts that deals with Thestrals, since he appears to have graffitied it:

Image showing Ron’s graffiti of “Chudley Cannons”

However, I think the key point here is to see what Fantastic Beasts actually says. The Thestral is merely mentioned amid a list of species of winged horses, and the only information given about them is a parenthetical half-sentence:

There are many different breeds, including the Abraxan (immensely powerful giant palominos), the Aethonan (chestnut, popular in Britain and Ireland), the Granian (grey and particularly fast) and the rare Thestral (black, possessed of the power of invisibility and considered unlucky by many wizards).

Even if Ron had read this passage and remembered it, all it would tell him is that there is a type of horse that has the power of invisibility and is considered unlucky. There is nothing there explaining that some people can see them while others cannot.

Thus, in his confrontation with Harry knowing about Thestrals wouldn’t help. Harry was claiming to see something that Ron couldn’t see. Positing the presence of invisible horses wouldn’t address the situation, because invisible horses should have been invisible to Harry as well.

Therefore, in Ron’s mind Harry would at best be seeing something that he shouldn’t be able to see, which would be a cause for concern (think of the voices Harry was hearing in his second year that no one else heard).

  • Is there a link that shows that this is Ron's textbook other than the graffiti?
    – Simpleton
    Commented Jun 18, 2019 at 17:00
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    @Simpleton i.sstatic.net/4ZU9V.jpg
    – Alex
    Commented Jun 18, 2019 at 21:57

Because Ron's dumb, he's the comic relief.

He was supposed to be portrayed as the dumbest of the three while Hermione was the smartest. In the first movie to make it more realistic, they made Ron smarter, but Ron's still dumb, so it was probably a callback to him being dumb.

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    It's worth noting that the question originally stems from the books not the movies.
    – TheLethalCarrot
    Commented Jun 18, 2019 at 8:19

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