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Hearing a friend recently mention Clarke's Third Law (Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.) and me thinking about how Portkeys seem to act like opening possible wormholes got me wondering about this.

Is there any scientific basis behind the magic in the Potterverse? For instance, does J.K. Rowling ever indicate that the Floo system is some kind of wormhole network or anything similar? Is it possible magic is using a technology that is not understood by Muggles?

Or has JKR ever stated specifically that magic in the Potterverse is explicitly not related to any form of science?

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    Been reading "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality"? :) – DVK-on-Ahch-To Jan 4 '12 at 22:04
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    Arthur C. Clark was writing about technology that was essentially magic (by this definition), not about magic that was essentially technology – sq33G Jan 4 '12 at 22:32
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    @sq33G there's an inversion called Niven's Law: Any sufficiently rigorously defined magic is indistinguishable from technology. – HorusKol Jan 4 '12 at 22:44
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    I would say that the phrase rigorously defined magic hardly applies. – sq33G Jan 4 '12 at 22:47
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    Reopened. This question is not asking for real-world science explanations; it's asking for Word of God regarding fictional in-universe science, which is on-topic according to site policy. – Rand al'Thor Jul 28 at 9:58
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Oh, I love this question!

I personally interpret Potterverse to possibly include scientific connections to magic.

A Time-turner, obviously, is related to time-travel, which I think touches on Einstein's Theory of Relativity:

The theory of relativity overturned the concept of motion from Newton's day, by positing that all motion is relative. Time was no longer uniform and absolute. Physics could no longer be understood as space by itself, and time by itself. Instead, an added dimension had to be taken into account with curved spacetime. Time now depended on velocity, and contraction became a fundamental consequence at appropriate speeds.

Wikipedia - Einstein's Theory of Relativity

Scientifically, I think we have to examine the Department of Mysteries very carefully. There are five known divisions in the Department of Mysteries that attend to love, time, thought, death, and space. As well, the Department of Mysteries houses Hall of Prophecies, although I do not know whether prophecies would fall under anything other than paranormal psychology.

The room housing the study of love, IIRC, is the room that is always locked and cannot be opened with any instrument (I think the knife that will open any lock or door that Sirius gave to Harry completely melted when the DA attempted to enter this room). Dumbledore had told Harry that this room contains a force so powerful that it would be completely overwhelming were it not contained. Love falls under several branches of psychology including, but not limited to: attachment psychology; biological psychology; forensic psychology; social psychology; and behavioral psychology. Per the Harry Potter Wiki, the love room may be used in attempts to understand and duplicate the magical protection self-sacrificing love creates, the only magic strong enough to repel the Killing Curse. Apparently there is said to be a large fountain of Amortentia in the room. What is the possible scientific explanation for love having the ability to block the killing curse?

The DoM room where thought is studied is the Brain Room and it is implied that when Ron touches the brains in the tanks there, and he is cut and injured on his forearms, it's by what is thought to be the physical manifestations of thought itself -- interpreted, feelings can hurt, or feel good, or sad, or happy, or angry, etc. Neurology, anyone? Neuropsychiatry? Thought disorders, learning diabilities, brain dysfunction, intelligence, mood, and a person's level of self-efficacy, and so so much more, are all related to the brain. Luna is forthcoming to the point of making others uncomfortable, yet is endearing beyond belief. Voldemort's thoughts are certainly disordered. Neville struggles to generally master magic and accept his placement in Gryffindor rather than Hufflepuff. Lockhart's brain is damaged beyond repair, as are Frank and Alice Longbottom's. Hermione's intellect is unusual and superior to most. Snape's moods are dark and angry and bitter. Harry demonstrates a high level of self-efficacy, despite the abuse and neglect he endured at the Dursleys.

The Veil occupies the room where death is studied and has been in the Department of Mysteries since the beginning of the Ministry of Magic (which is not quite as old as Hogwarts, but is many centuries old).

Thanatology is the scientific study of death. It investigates the mechanisms and forensic aspects of death, such as bodily changes that accompany death and the post-mortem period, as well as wider social aspects related to death. It is primarily an interdisciplinary study offered as a course of study at numerous colleges and universities.*

Wikipedia - Thanatology

Death is the theme of the Harry Potter series (that, and love). As far as the Veil room goes, the structure of the Veil itself implies that the death studies being done are not primarily pragmatic; my guess is that the research done on death in the DoM has more to do with the metaphysical, the soul, and the possibility of an afterlife (both Harry and Luna hear voices whispering from behind the veil). This likely falls more into social psychology than medical study. Perhaps there is study on how Avada Kedavra affects the body and why it leaves no trace. And wouldn't the study of Horcruxes -- were there to be such a study -- be fascinating in the context of thanatology? The physical manifestation of the preservation of life through a piece of torn soul. . . it's both highly scientific and deeply magical, IMO. Thestrals that appear only when dead has meaning and has "sunk in."

I already touched on time above regarding the Time-turner. During the Battle of the Department of Mysteries in Order of the Phoenix, we see all the Time-turners and clocks come smashing down to the floor, only to fly back up to their original storage spots and repair themselves, only to repeat the process endlessly. It's like a physical manifestation of the infinity of time. Even if our universe ceases to exist, time will continue. And Dumbledore values the gift of time when he tells Harry "It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live" when Harry is obsessed with the Mirror of Erised. (Speaking of the Mirror of Erised, hello telepathy!) Those who practice the art or study of measuring time are horologists (they are interested in the mechanics of clocks, watches, sundials, and, yes, presumably time-turners!) The entire book Prisoner of Azkaban deals with time, time-travel, and the timing of individual actions. Time touches so many things -- how quickly a spell is cast; how quickly Mandrakes grow to make the draught to revive the petrified victims of the Basilisk, how much time we get to spend with friends and loved ones (a big theme in HP as well -- family). Time is related to velocity, which relates to brooms and flying. Time is endless and it is fruitless to resist it (like Voldemort tried to), but life cycles infinitely. JK Rowling used the Celtic calendar to assign wand woods to each of her characters; calendars are representations of time. The prophecy was tied to "the end of July" 1980, a specific time frame.

During the Battle of the DoM, Luna finds herself in a room full of planets and stars -- space! Astronomy is a real science that is taught at Hogwarts, the study of the stars and constellations and the universe. Could Apparition be conceptually like warp speed? To instantaneously get from point A to point B when Apparating, do points A and B come together, bending the universe, deposit the Apparating traveler at point B, and then stretch out again, within seconds, realigning the universe? Or would Apparition be more like a wormhole? The way Portkeys are described, I would think they are more wormhole-like than possibly warp speedish, because of the way people seem to fall out of them to their final destination. Anyhow, magically, astronomy is applied by the centaurs to make their cryptic predictions ("Mars is bright tonight."). Could astronomy have something to do with the number seven being considered the most magical number, the number coveted by Tom Riddle/Voldemort?

The ghosts and poltergeist Peeves would fall under paranormal study; to some that is a true area of science (for others, not)

Dementors are JR Rowling's representation of depression, which would be categorized under psychology or psychiatry.

As @DVK first mentioned, there is Alchemy.

While the trio is on the run in Deathly Hallows it's noted that Hermione becomes skilled in picking edible roots and plants, perhaps even mushrooms? (Mycology)

Both the first and second Voldemort wars are fundamentally about Wizarding genetics. Purebloods are superior; half-bloods and Muggleborns less so. Squibs are anomalies that are not accepted in Wizarding society (Filch and Arabella Figg being exceptions) and are often hidden away or encouraged to join the Muggle world. This all relates to genetics and, in the case of the rabid purebloods, probably eugenics to some degree.

The Sorting Hat and Legilimency suggests telepathy; the Wiki states in the Harry Potter series by J. K. Rowling, telepathy is the magical skill known as Legilimency.

Ancient Runes -- Anthropology? Archaeology?

  • Wow! Thank you for such an in depth answer! – Tango Jan 5 '12 at 3:40
  • There are a lot of analogs between their magic and our science, but most of the things you mention are interpretations. Since your descriptions cite only the outward appearance of these studies/technologies, I think many of these aren't directly confirmed (I remember a botanist, tho). But due to Death of the author, I suppose your interpretation is as valid as any :) +1 for amount of research – Merlyn Morgan-Graham Jan 5 '12 at 5:21
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    Kudos on the comprehensiveness of the answer, but to be honest, you say very little despite using so many words. What I get from your answer is that certain occurrences in the HP universe could be classified under certain fields of science. I read the question as looking for something more precise, like a concrete explanation for any sort of magical effect in terms of modern science, or even any hint as to whether such an explanation exists. Except for some speculation about Portkeys, this answer doesn't address that at all. (cont.) – David Z Jan 5 '12 at 8:17
  • (cont.) Of course, to be fair, I understand that there is very little that can be said to address the original question as I understand it. I don't have your encyclopedic knowledge of the HP series, but I certainly don't remember anything about a scientific explanation of any magical effect. Still, I think it's possible to say what needs to be said much more directly (DVK's answer does this). All the extra information about classification, while interesting, kind of bypasses the point. – David Z Jan 5 '12 at 8:18
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    @TangoOversway -- thanks for saying that :) That said, I am actively trying to work on being more succinct, as I know SE doesn't encourage overly-long responses, which I often indulge in. Oddly, IRL, I am more of a listener than a talker. :) – Slytherincess Jan 5 '12 at 16:05
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There was never anything in the books to indicate that magic was in any way related to advanced science and engineering based technology as we know it (though to be fair, they have typical Alchemy which was really a scientific precursor to Chemistry).

However, there was nothing in canon to indicate that it was NOT in some way explainable by scientific means - e.g. Portkeys could very well be opening wormholes, though precise symptoms seem to be slightly off for a typical wormhole.


Slightly offtopic, there's a pretty cool exhibition by NIH which explored Renaissance magic, science, and medicine in light of HP world.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/harrypottersworld/


And, for completeness, no answer discussing Harry Potter magic and science intersection can avoid the obligatory reference to "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality", an incredibly popular and well-recieved fanfic where scientifically-trained Harry explores the magic using Scientific Method.

  • Thanks for the link. True, it's a little OT, ut it's close and interesting! – Tango Jan 4 '12 at 23:54
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The one thing that prevents the HP books from being nearly perfect is the lack of a attention given to science.

But the lack of attention to a scientific method or process PERVADES the entire series. Its evidenced by:

1) The lack of any description of the strategy in Quidditch.
2) The lack of any real methodology in teaching - we see kids practicing or being lectured, not much in between.
3) The inconsistency of how one learns a spell-- the Patronus Harry has to concentrate on a happy memory... probably a reasonable way to describe performing the spell. Sceptumsempra, he simply utters an incantation.
4) Absolutely nothing about magic having a certain amount of power or energy available. Sure, there are 12 uses of Dragon's blood, but we don't really see any evidence anyone is measuring anything in the potterverse.

The most telling small scene is one where Arthur Weasely says he really wants to know how an airplane flies. Its a pretty simple explanation, and Arthur is a smart guy, so the fact that he still can't figure it out indicates that the wizarding world scoffs at muggle science - likely to their eventual downfall.

If that is the case, I wish JK had spent some time commenting on it. Yes, love is powerful and mysterious, but structural integrity, engineering and the Newtonian laws are not.

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    Although you're not wrong, this rant barely addresses the question at hand. -1 from me, I'm afraid. – Valorum Jun 22 '15 at 0:14
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That is a really good question...

I personally like to think that Magic is some kind of higher dimensional energy that can manipulate space, time and matter.

Doesn't sound much far-fetched to me considering Mass-Energy Conservation. And Magic was known to interfere with Electricity. Take the analogy of a magnet infront of a CRT TV. It would generate a spectrum. Or just YouTube it. Or just click here

The way apparition works is more like travelling thorough curved space. Like take a paper, and plot two points, the shortest path is joining them using a straight line but a much shorter path would be to fold the paper and the points overlap each other. Getting sucked through a tube I guess. And the tell-tale crack of apparition sounds like the air suddenly filling up the vacuum created by the traveller. (Just a guess, nothing solid...)

Portkeys might work a bit differently though. Portkey-travel is described as being pulled by navel and GOF shows the travel like a stepping into some kind of hurricane. My guess is that it spins so fast that it generates enough centrifugal force and magical-energy to create a mini rip in the space time fabric, pulling apart every molecule of an individual and reconstructing them at the destination. (Ignore the heating affects of air friction because I guess it would have to be protected by some sort of force field.)

Don’t get me started on Floo network... It is the most bizarre way of communication according to me... During GOF, when Weasleys decide to travel through it with 4, Privet Drive as their destination, they ended up in the chimney. As a whole body. Maybe, Fire being an element responds differently to Magic... I don't freaking know they stick their heads into flames and pop it into another place. It might just be a hologram with sound but I doubt that is the case...

Now I think I should tell how Wizards came into existence or rather the complete Wizarding Society. I am guessing some king of astronomical event took place, like the Big Bang, and released Magical Energy in tons which impacted a localized region of Earth and altered the DNA of humans which gave them the Magic-gene (M-gene) which gave them capabilities of using magic... Same can be said for Goblins, Merpeople, Dragons from different species present on Earth... It might have also affected the plants. And Muggleborns can be considered as descendants from Squibs who adapted the Muggle world because of brutal treatment from Purebloods.

Squibs were only born in Pureblood families, thus it might be possible that due to inbreeding their M-gene became dormant which showed up when it combined with another gene or just randomly after some centuries... (Analogy: We should not marry our sister, brother or cousin, because Google it...)

Then comes the philosopher's stone. I am guessing it is a storehouse of energy which generate an Elixir which keeps the cells new or renews all of them... The production of gold is similar to matter manipulation.

One of the more mind boggling concept of the Magical world is Soul and Mind Magics. I mean how do Thestrals know whether one can seen Death? It might be something related to both of them.

I think Mind Magic might be linked to wipe out one's neural pathways (Obliviations) and analysing them (Legilmency). Occlumency is more like protecting the pathways from the Legilmens. Wizards might be using some other form of transfer as I don't think electrical sparks will be appreciated by a Wizard's body.

Soul is soul...Read some mythology and you might get some ideas. The interesting fact is that it is somehow connected with our emptions and thinking capabilities, which actually renders the concept of neural-pathways completely useless. Maybe soul is related to brain in someway. And dying only requires us to loose the soul to Afterlife. I think this relates the use of resurrection stone. So the use of Mirror of Erised.

The Dementors are something gone wrong... Abomination... I consider they were created when the energy from the Big Bang-like event struck those who had died just an instant before, thus trapping them on the plane of existence. Again, they are related with Souls and Mind Magics with all the sucking happiness and Kiss.

The Patronus is more or less Soul Magic, just like Avada Kedavra or the rest of Unforgivables... They depend on emotions.. The Imperius Curse is hypnosis made easy.

Wards and Shields(Protego) must be some kind of force fields.

I can't think of anything else... The subject's taught at Hogwarts are quite self-explanatory.

P.S. Sorry for any typos, grammatical errors and mistakes in advance.


UPDATE:

Another thing I forgot to add was the Gamp's Third Law of Elementary Transfiguration... It is hard to fit it in if we consider Magic as Energy. It states that wizards can multiply food if they had any but cannot produce any of their own or something which went like this..

Shouldn't they be able to convert it into chemical energy... It is accepted by most Potterheads that it might not be possible because even if we turn wood into apple it would still taste like wood and might even turn back into wood while in our body.

What about Conjuration? Energy remains conserved. If Wizards could turn it into chemical energy still it shouldn't help them much if it exhausts their own resources. But then I hardly think that is the case. The Energy required to conjure an armchair is much more than that required to conjure an apple... Some on did prove that the enrgy which must have been required to regrow Harry's bones inhis second year must be about 6000W asthe process was 90% faster than what normally happens without the Skele-Gro... The best I can come up with is that Wizards can't feed on magic. They require something naturally available to live.

This brings us to the Aquamenti charm. It is not part of Transfiguration. I am guessing that it must be summoning water molecules from the atmosphere. But then again, such water will only contain water molecules i.e. distilled water, which is fatal. I hardly think Harry wanted to kill Dumbledore in HBP.

I also forgot to clarify about the mutated cells. It is as if the cells with M-gene produce the Magical Energy the same way we produce ATP using mitochondria which decides amount raw power a Wizard has.

And I am not a Sexist, Witches are also there but it was much easier to just use Wizard...


IF you have any other theories, please share them and kindly correct me if you find some error with them...

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