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Is the family name of Neville a funny one that is actually part of the his "image" in the first books?

I'm asking this from the point of view of a non-British and a non-English native speaker.

Another form of this question would be - is Longbottom a name that you rather not give to your children if you can avoid it.

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    Longbottom is the family name, and Neville is his given name. Longbottom wouldn't be "given" to him. Neville was given to him, and Longbottom was the family name. In British culture, your family name is always the last one listed.
    – thorkia
    Commented Apr 8, 2015 at 20:30
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    Additionally, Longbottom is not a name JKR invented, it has been in use in England for a long time. surnamedb.com/Surname/Longbottom Commented Apr 8, 2015 at 20:35
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    @thorkia Like Abbot, Archer, Baker, Butcher, Butler, Carpenter, Carter, Cooper, Driver, Farmer, Fletcher, Fuller, Hunter, Mason, Miller, Page, Shepherd, Smith, Tanner, Thatcher, Walker, Ward, Weaver, Wheeler, etc.?
    – KSmarts
    Commented Apr 8, 2015 at 20:49
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    This question is attracting close votes as is (including mine) but if it could be re-worded (e.g. "Did JKR invent the name Longbottom, perhaps as a joke name?") it would be a good question.
    – Null
    Commented Apr 8, 2015 at 20:56
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    I am rather disheartened at the downvotes for a self-professed non-English speaker who is attempting to understand a nuance of how the language is natively received.
    – Lexible
    Commented Apr 8, 2015 at 22:54

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I think we can be pretty certain that JKR's intention was to make Neville sound a bit "goofy" with her choice of name. Longbottom certainly isn't the most dignified of names, despite it being a traditionally English surname.

Note also that HP is a children's book. Names that contain the word 'bottom' are generally considered hilarious.


On top of that, the "first forty" document (showing her initial thoughts on character names) listed him originally as Neville Sidebottom, another slightly unusual British name and one that is, to some quite amusing. Obviously she had bottoms in mind when choosing his name.

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    Personally, I don't find anything funny about either of the two surnames. Then again I'm not representing the perfidious Albion Commented Apr 8, 2015 at 21:04
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    @DVK - If you were British, you'd find all things relating to bottoms to be hilarious, in much the same way that Germans love farting.
    – Valorum
    Commented Apr 8, 2015 at 21:06
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    Granted, based upon my viewings of what Brits call "comedy", you guys find anything funny.
    – phantom42
    Commented Apr 8, 2015 at 22:12
  • According to the link JKR considered the family name "Puff" for Neville too. What did the poor guy do to deserve that ??? :)
    – vap78
    Commented Apr 9, 2015 at 14:37
  • I say, Richard, do you know what's very, very funny? A man dressed in women's clothing.
    – KSmarts
    Commented Apr 9, 2015 at 14:55
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First off, JKR never came out and stated either way. So we can only infer. I'm inferring that she didn't intend the name to make fun of the character.

First, generic evidence - most of her names that are meant to convey meanings are NOT meant to make fun of someone (except for "looney" Luna's first name, possibly) or otherwise hurtful. Nearly all the meaningful names (Lupin, Weasley, Newt Salamander, Voldemort, Lovegood, Poppy, Ollievander, etc...) had real non-insulting meaning, either in-universe or out of universe. So, naming Neville with a deeply insulting name intentionally would have been out of pattern.

Leaving that aside, we have evidence from the name itself:

  1. t's a real English surname, with fairly non-funny and non-insulting meaning/origins.

    This interesting name is of Anglo-Saxon origin, and is a topographical surname for someone who lived in a long valley or dell. In some cases the modern surname, found as Longbottom and Longbotham, may also be locational in origin, from the place called "Longbottom" in Luddended Foot in West Yorkshire. In either instance the name derives from the Old English pre 7th Century "lang", Middle English "long", long, with Old English "bothm, botm", Middle English "bodme", bottom, valley, dell.

    The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Richard Longboteham, which was dated 1379, in the "Yorkshire Poll Tax Returns", during the reign of King Richard 11, known as "Richard of Bordeaux", 1377 - 1399.

    Source: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Longbottom

  2. Please note that the fact that JKR intended it to be a topographical meaning of the name is even more likely considering that his first (given) name is ALSO topographical:

    This great and noble surname is of Norman origin, introduced into England after the Conquest of 1066. It is a French locational name from "Neuville" in Calvados or "Neville" in Seine-Maritime, Normandy, both so called from the Old French "neu(f)" new, with "ville", a settlement (src: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Neville)

  3. So, for that matter, was another earlier version of Neville's surname (from the First Forty document referenced in @Richard's answer):

    ... either a locational surname, from a place called Sidebottom in Cheshire near Stockport, or a topographical name peculiar to the counties of Cheshire, Lancashire and Yorkshire. The derivation of the name is from the Olde English pre 7th Century "sid", wide, broad, spacious, and "bothm", valley, bottom, dell, and in the case of the topographical surname, this would denote residence in such a "wide valley". (src: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Sidebottom)

  4. An interesting contradiction is that, on the same First Forty document, Neville also had another rejected version of surname, Puff. That one doesn't seem to have much of topographic origin, and isn't even British or French. The only known origins are German/Austrian:

    nickname for a violent, aggressive person, from buff ‘push’, ‘shove’. From a pet form of a personal name, Bodefrit, composed with Old High German biutan ‘to bid or order’ or boto ‘messenger’. Possibly an altered spelling of Pfaff.

    If that's the meaning, I can see where JKR was coming from crossing that name out :)

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  • Widebottom would be an even funnier name.
    – Valorum
    Commented Apr 9, 2015 at 11:33
  • You seem to have missed the fact that she likely chose 'Neville' because it's also a quite an amusing name.
    – Valorum
    Commented Apr 9, 2015 at 11:41
  • @Richard - explain please? Commented Apr 9, 2015 at 16:42
  • It's generally seen as a very weak, drippy sort of a name. It's far more likely that that's why she chose it rather than its association with the French derivative.
    – Valorum
    Commented Apr 9, 2015 at 17:41
  • @Richard - I didn't know names can be "drippy" :) Commented Apr 9, 2015 at 17:50
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It is a real name, not something JKR made up, and it has been used in England for a long time.

This interesting name is of Anglo-Saxon origin, and is a topographical surname for someone who lived in a long valley or dell. In some cases the modern surname, found as Longbottom and Longbotham, may also be locational in origin, from the place called "Longbottom" in Luddended Foot in West Yorkshire. In either instance the name derives from the Old English pre 7th Century "lang", Middle English "long", long, with Old English "bothm, botm", Middle English "bodme", bottom, valley, dell.

The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Richard Longboteham, which was dated 1379, in the "Yorkshire Poll Tax Returns", during the reign of King Richard 11, known as "Richard of Bordeaux", 1377 - 1399.

Source: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Longbottom

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    Note: JBN came up with that link independently and before I did (in comments). Commented Apr 8, 2015 at 21:02
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My last name actually is Longbottom, just to confirm it is definitely a name which is still around today. A lot of Neville Longbottom jokes are a burden of the name.

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  • This might be better off as a comment. If not, maybe fill it out with more details?
    – Adamant
    Commented Jun 2, 2016 at 9:37
  • Anon Longbottom, well met sirrah
    – Danny Mc G
    Commented Oct 1, 2018 at 11:08
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Yes. Fact: "Longbottom" is a funny name. Maybe not the funniest name possible ( like "Hugh Morris" for example ) but there is undeniably a little bit of humor in this particular choice of names. And if you can remember back to being the age/maturity of the target audience of the book I think you'll remember snickering and giggling about all things "fanny", "bottom", "butt".

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    British people wouldn't say fanny or butt. The word fanny is considerably taboo whereas butt is just American
    – Valorum
    Commented Apr 9, 2015 at 18:36

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