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Or is it just 'further education' i.e. Hogwarts, Durmstrung, Beaux-batons? Are there wizarding universities?

  • What more do you need to know than magic? – Kevin Jan 9 '12 at 20:25
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    Advanced magic...? The sort that clearly isn't taught at NEWT level. – AncientSwordRage Jan 9 '12 at 20:29
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    That was more a rhetorical/somewhat humorous answer. But I'd think if anyone went into higher magical education, it would be Dumbledore. – Kevin Jan 9 '12 at 20:37
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    I always imagined further specialized knowledge was passed on in a kind of apprenticeship situation. – NorbyTheGeek Jan 9 '12 at 20:39
  • What about research into new magic? Severus Snape apparently invented a new curse when he was a student at Hogwarts, so that shows that not all magic had been invented at the time of Godric Gryffindor. – Wallnut May 24 '16 at 12:58
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There are no universities, but there is some evidence of "Trade Schools", for lack a better term. The most mentioned of these is the extensive training that Aurors undergo in order to become Aurors. The training to become an Auror lasts for 3 years after normal education is complete. I believe it is reasonable to assume there are other specialty programs like that in existence.

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    So the qualifications to teach at Hogwarts are just a diploma from Hogwarts? – user14111 May 24 '16 at 8:39
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    There was no indication that Voldemort ever had any higher education, but he was able to apply for a teaching job. He was turned down by Dippet because he was too young and by Dumbledore because, well, because he was evil, but in neither case was a lack of qualifications mentioned. Also, there were a number of actual teachers who seemed unlikely to be competent enough to pass a university-level course. :-) – Harry Johnston May 24 '16 at 22:10
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    @HarryJohnston You greatly overestimate the level of some universities. – b_jonas Dec 16 '16 at 13:56
  • Similar to most highly skilled & technical professions in the muggle world, I wonder if Aurors require annual CEUs (continuing education units) to keep up-to-date on latest trends and maintain their Auror's "license" (or whatever officially recognizes them as Aurors). And if so, who offers them. – iMerchant May 3 '17 at 9:12
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No there are no Wizarding universities or post-Hogwarts (or Durmstrang, Beauxbatons, Salem Institute, etc) higher eduction. SOURCE: Harry Potter Lexicon

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Percy goes straight from school (NEWTs - good grades) to working at the Ministry. This suggests some sort of apprenticeship situation. His title in book 5 is 'Junior Assistant to the Minister' which he hopes will impress his father - instead his dad says Fudge is probably trying to use him to spy on the family (which is probably true), and this enrages Percy.

Fred and George are mentioned as having mostly good grades 'even though they mess around a lot' (this is a line in book one, towards the beginning - ron is talking to harry), and they stay in school long enough to do OWLs but not NEWTs. At 17 they open a joke shop. Presumably, they did not need an apprenticeship situation, because they are already fairly well-educated and can learn more from working in the shop than from continuing education.

It seems to me that some form of apprenticeship would be the norm, however. Tonks is mentioned as being mentored by Mad Eye Moody, at the Ministry.

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  • Note: Percy going straight from NEWTs to working in the ministry is in PoA, chapter 16. – Jam Aug 24 '18 at 23:26
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Rowling doesn't mention any formal Wizarding higher education, which I've always found strange. But then again these are novels directed at children and centre their coming-of-age from adolescence into early adulthood, so indicating a realistically developed adult society up ahead might detract from their appeal. (After all, that's Muggle business.)

Hogwarts is clearly based on the UK education system: O.W.L.s are equivalent to GCSEs and N.E.W.T.s are A-Levels, not university degrees. However, schoolteachers have the title of 'Professor' which gives them the status of real-world academic professionals with advanced degrees...whether they've earned it or not! ("Professor" Lockhart? Really?) This makes Hogwarts appear extra special and prestigious to readers, especially as it's one of only three named schools for magic in Europe.

It seems like after school, people can go on to apprenticeship training contracts if they have the right N.E.W.T.s, like what you have to do to become an Auror / Healer / work in particular departments at the Ministry / hang out with dragons in Romania etc. These are all very practical and hands-on career options. It makes me wonder what the more cerebral and artistic types do.

It's noticeable that the kids in the novels get married and have children of their own at a really young age after leaving school - considering how long Wizard lifespans are (unless murdered by Voldemort) it strikes me as odd that they're considered fully grown-up by 18. (Do they get divorced? Have casual relationships? Affairs? Surely not everyone who survives Voldemort lives monogamously ever after.) But I suppose it's war, and their society is in crisis and struggling to move beyond its outdated institutions - this is what sets up the plot. Some of the adult characters are shown to have made huge mistakes when in their late teens and early twenties (e.g. Dumbledore, Snape, the Marauders). Perhaps a university education could've delayed their terrible decisions and kept them out of trouble for a bit longer :)

It does make me wonder though, just how small or large the Wizarding world really is, and what do the intellectual ones do? A world without higher education seems limited. Clearly there are lots of books, but no formal higher academic institutions, and only a handful of magical schools. Severus Snape in the novels strikes me as a researcher with extensive knowledge. He doesn't accept less than 'Outstanding' for entry into his N.E.W.T. classes, is clearly an intellectual (very articulate, loner, sneers at 'dunderheads', values subtlety), has a passion for Potions as well as the Dark Arts, and he develops his own spells while still in school. By his 30s he could probably write a book or two on magic if he chose - and so could Dumbledore (perhaps he did?) and McGonagall. I wonder if these Hogwarts experts could have done more for magical education than teach 11-18 year olds, if they weren't also so busy trying to save their society from Voldemort and his 'pureblood' ideology.

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    Hi, and welcome to the Sci-Fi and Fantasy StackExchange! While detailed answers such as yours are encouraged, the latter two paragraphs of your question seem to go quite a bit off topic, so you may consider cutting down some of your material. In addition, if you can reference the books or find other sources to back up the information in your answer, that adds greatly to its credibility. – DBPriGuy Jan 13 '17 at 15:00
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There seems to be apprenticeships and outside study mentioned for many. In The Philosophers Stone it mentions Dumbledore worked on Alchemy with Nicholas Flamel, presumably before joining Hogwarts. Hagrid was apprenticed to the previous gamekeeper. There are mentions of trainee healers in The Order of The Phoenix.

There are certainly gaps in the storylines of the middle aged parents and their education, presumably because the wizarding world was at war in their early 20s and 30s and many families went into hiding. As in real history it’s not unusual for formal education to take a backseat in times of war or turmoil.

Many people however dont seem to work. Purebloods seem to just be living off thier inheritances, Sirius, James and Lily Potter, Molly and sadly most of the other mother characters are never mentioned as having a profession.

It ties back to questions about schooling before age 10, do wizard children go to Muggle primary school or are parents busy homeschooling? They come to Hogwarts at 11 knowing how to read, write, count etc.

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  • Could you edit in the relevant quotes to support your answer? – TheLethalCarrot Jul 1 '19 at 22:22
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Most wizards (before you add witches, I would like to point out that the term 'wizard' refers to anyone with magical abilities and does not have to refer to a woman, while the term 'witch' applies strictly to females, like 'actor' and 'actress') train with their employer. Healers train at St. Mungo's, Aurors train at the ministry, and Bankers train at Gringotts. There are probably some additional classes available for various things, but not quite like a university, because the wizarding equivalent of a university is N.E.W.T. levels. Sixth and seventh year classes are similar to majors in that they require skill and acceptable O.W.L. (S.A.T.) grades, and each assist wizards into achieving their occupational goals. So, Hogwarts (and probably other wizarding schools) is actually middle school, high school, and college. The first two years are completely general like middle school. Then, years three through five branch out slightly in that there are electives and more activities, like Quidditch (most people don't do Quidditch until at least third year, first years can't even have broomstick) and the Yule Ball (fourth year and up). At the end of fifth year, there is an S.A.T.-like test, and that determines which classes students can take the next year. Sixth and Seventh years are focused on specific subjects and these are the years when students usually decide on a job.

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    I'm going to guess that you are American. NEWTs are equivalent to the English and Welsh A-levels (Scotland has a different system). OWLs are equivalent to GCSEs or O-levels. You need skill and acceptable grades to do A-levels too. Final two years of English education is focused on specific subjects. – Martin Bonner supports Monica Feb 5 '18 at 13:03

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