In Thor: The Dark World, Odin and Loki are discussing Loki's actions during The Avengers. Loki argues that he would have ruled Earth as "a benevolent god", and Odin replies:

Odin: We are not gods! We are born, we live, we die, just as humans do.

Now that's pretty definitive. And Loki's snarky reply ("Give or take five thousand years...") would seem to confirm that Asgardians have a limited lifespan, and will eventually die of old age.1 And we know that Asgardians can die in battle, because we've seen it happen over and over with supporting characters and Asgardian soldiers.

Now, I've always been more of a fan of Thor stories (like Jason Aaron's Thor: God of Thunder arc) in which Thor and the Asgardians are gods. Straight-up, genuine, higher-level-of-existence gods, not von-Däniken-esque wannabes playing on the tired old notion of magic just being super-advanced science. BUT, despite my preferences, this exchange would seem to confirm once and for all that in the MCU, the Asgardians are not gods, but rather were mistaken for gods because of their ram-horns full of awesome-sauce and their magnificent bulging pecks.

But wait! Watch that movie for about 30 seconds longer and we come across this exchange:

Thor: She is ill.

Odin: She is mortal. Illness is their defining trait.

Wait, what? I thought Asgardians weren't immortal? They can die in battle, and they naturally die of old age. In my book, that makes them long-lived, but entirely "mortal". Surely Odin isn't splitting a hair so fine as to say that resistance to disease alone makes one "immortal"?

So, if the Asgardians of the MCU aren't actually gods (grumblegrumblegrumble...), and they can't live forever (or even particularly long in a cosmic sense), and they can be killed in battle, in what sense are they "immortal" at all?

1 Fun fact: adjusted for a roughly 5,000 year lifespan, 1,048-year-old Loki is currently in the tail-end of his rebellious teenage phase.

  • I think you've answered your own question. They consider us to be mere gadflies
    – Valorum
    Commented May 20, 2015 at 18:09
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    He hasn't resolved the problem with the dialogue though, @Richard. Commented May 20, 2015 at 18:09
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    He's clearly using mortal to mean short-lived. If I lived to be 5000+, I'd probably consider myself immortal.
    – Valorum
    Commented May 20, 2015 at 18:26
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    @Junuxx I'm obviously not talking about the great span of human history. I'm saying "Gods are just aliens" and "Magic is just science" has, in my opinion, been done to death in modern pop culture. StarGate was a fun concept, but now almost EVERY story about mythology (from Star Trek to Marvel to Battlestar Galactica to Assassin's Creed) carries some element of the Ancient Astronaut Theory. Just like the "vampire with a soul" idea, I think the "magic is just science" idea is becoming very overdone. I want more "vampires are just evil" stories, and more "gods are just gods" stories.
    – Nerrolken
    Commented May 20, 2015 at 23:27
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    @Nerrolken The fact that magic = advanced science is becoming so popular is because these days, a lot of the things gods supposedly did don't seem too farfetched with advanced enough technology. As we get more and more capable of doing incredible things with technology, there's a lot less reason to assume that there have to be any actual gods. We become more used to the idea that there don't have to be gods.
    – Theik
    Commented May 21, 2015 at 10:55

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Since the Marvel Cinematic Universe has not confirmed or denied the existence of Idunn, the goddess in charge of the legendary Golden Apples of Immortality, we have nothing to confirm the true nature of the MCU's Asgardians "immortality".

  • Given Asgardian superhuman levels of resistance to injury, their incredible physical stamina and innate regenerative abilities, they would have certainly appeared to be immortal to the first Norse barbarians who interacted with them in the 11th century. They would have survived injuries and wounds that normally killed human beings of that era. This only added to the illusion of godhood.
  • Even though they can survive tremendous amounts of physical punishment than a normal human being, they can be hurt or damaged. That is when their advanced regenerative abilities take over. It enables them to heal much faster than an normal human being. No form of Earth disease can infect them at all. However, when receiving damage that even their regenerative abilities cannot heal, they do have a "healing room" that possibly helps with their regenerative abilities.

  • It seems that low-level Asgardians and mid-level Asgardians need it, except Odin, who goes through the Odinsleep and Thor, the son of Odin, whose regenerative ability is stronger than the vast majority of his race.

  • Also, their regenerative abilities enable them to have longer lifespans. While humans would see them as immortal, as Odin stated, they are not. Loki pointed out even though they are not truly immortal, they can live a lot longer, at least by 5,000 years.

  • This explains why Bor is no longer living, because he could have reached his 5,000 years lifespan sometime after the War with the Dark Elves. Asgardians age as humans do in the first years of their lives, but when they reach their late twenties, they start to age much more slowly. Marvel Cinematic Universe - Asgardians

  • However, given their immensely long lifespans even without the existence of the Golden Apples, in comparison to human lives, they would seem immortal and nearly everlasting.

Comic Apocrypha

  • In the canon comic universe, the Asgardians were "long-lived" not immortal and had to have their immortality "recharged" by eating the Golden Apples of Idunn. This was also the case in the original Norse Legends.

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It would seem the Asgardian "immortality" is very conditional and dependent on the Golden Apples. It would seem in at least one of Loki's schemes it was revealed the immortal nature of the Asgardians would slowly be lost if they were unable to partake of said apples. Loki devised a scheme by which such apples would be lost in the belief it would make the Asgardians vulnerable to their enemies because of their loss of their godly vitality.

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See Also: How Long Do Asgardians Live for?

  • We see in Thor: The Dark World that they can be killed.
    – Rogue Jedi
    Commented Nov 4, 2015 at 13:41
  • What if they had Notch apples though?
    – opticyclic
    Commented Aug 10, 2021 at 13:32

They are immortal simply in the sense that they are not of the earth.

The word "mortal" sometimes merely means "human" / "of the earth". (See here, here). Therefore - precisely because of all the evidence you have given - I would argue that, when Odin says "She is mortal; illness is their defining state", he uses the word "mortal" simply in this sense.

I would guess that his point is this: since humans are so short-lived, one may think of them as fatally ill from the moment they are born. So in fact, it is even possible that Asgardians are not even immune to diseases; if they are, that's certainly not the point Odin was trying to make here. He's just saying that morals (i.e. humans) are always sick, since they die quickly no matter what transpires.

EDIT. I should note that in this sense the word "mortal" is not necessarily the opposite of "immortal".

  • so like a cat or a dog or a sparrow is immortal? i think u are wrong.
    – releseabe
    Commented Jun 26, 2021 at 16:57
  • @releseabe Interesting point, but humans are just not of the same category. Think of e.g. the comics of Sabrina, where "mortal" simply meant "human which is not a witch".
    – Wade
    Commented Jun 26, 2021 at 17:13
  • i think in Bewitched the term was used and witches may have been immortal although it being a 60s sitcom, death was not a theme explored much in it.
    – releseabe
    Commented Jun 26, 2021 at 18:57
  • @releseabe For example in Sabrina someone who's a half-witch was called 'half-mortal' although they were just as 'immortal' as witches. So I don't think it meant half-perishable-by-death, just half-human.
    – Wade
    Commented Jun 26, 2021 at 19:09
  • based on the latin root, mortal has something to do with death, not being human vs supernatural.
    – releseabe
    Commented Jun 26, 2021 at 19:45

Season 1: Episode 8 of Agents of Shield, "The Well", has an Asgardian stabbed through the chest and dying. Coulson indicates that what SHIELD knows of Asgardian physiology is that they heal rapidly enough that if you can put them in a situation where they can heal (here, removing the piece of staff in his chest and then Coulson manually holding his wounds together inside his chest), they can heal from near-death.

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