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In Back to the Future 3, Doc (from 1955) sends Marty back in time wearing a cowboy outfit.

But then, Doc (from 1885) doesn't remember that it was him who offered this outfit to Marty.

Does this mean there are two different Docs (from differing timelines) or is it the same Doc but he somehow forgot the outfit.

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    Keep in mind that from Doc's point of view, it's been thirty years plus since he did that. The Doc in the Old West is 1985 Doc, while the Doc that dressed Marty in the ridiculous outfit was in 1955. I think it's as simple as that. – Chris B. Behrens May 30 '15 at 17:56
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    Just speculation, but my idea is that the ripple effect doesn't update the memories of time travelers, so for example the Marty that appears at the Twin Pines Ranch on Nov. 5 1955 will always be the one that remembers growing up in the original timeline where his dad was a loser, even though the younger version of Marty that hadn't yet time traveled (in 1984, for example) wouldn't remember this. Going by this theory, the time-traveling Doc we see in parts II and III is the one with memories of the timeline at the end of part I, so he'd remember Marty visiting him once in 1955, not a 2nd time. – Hypnosifl May 30 '15 at 19:08
  • @hypnosifl - That's precisely the thoughts of the writers. See below, theory #1 – Valorum May 31 '15 at 7:57
  • @Richard - the FAQ comment is confusing though--when they talk about how Doc "learns a lot about the future from Marty", I assume they were including all the stuff he learned in part I, not just about what he learned in parts II and III. But as I said, I think the "ripple effect doesn't update the memories of time travelers" would still leave the Doc in 1985 with memories of Marty's first visit to 1955. And they don't even specify time travelers, they just say the ripple effect might not "affect human memory", which obviously isn't true for all the other characters in an altered timeline. – Hypnosifl May 31 '15 at 19:29
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The writers of the Back to the Future films (Writer/Producer Bob Gale and Writer/Director Robert Zemeckis) specifically addressed this point in an "Official FAQ" on the BTTF website:

1.19: Doc Brown of 1955 learns a lot about the future from Marty. Shouldn't the Doc of 1985 remember all of those things that happened in 1955?

A: 3 possible answers, all credible. 1) The "Ripple Effect" of time travel (which caused all of the photographs to change) does not affect human memory. 2) The 1955 Doc suffered a memory loss sometime after his adventures with Marty (maybe it was from the drugs he took in the 60's as Reverend Jim!). 3) Doc actually did remember everything, but he still did all the same things he "remembered" because he didn't want to risk disrupting the space-time continuum.

There's a 4th possibility which depends on your view of time travel. There's a theory (we like to call it the "Self-Preservation Instinct of the Space-Time Continuum Theory") that says that the continuum is always trying to keep itself "on course," and when things happen to change it, it always tries to correct itself. It is much like a river, which tries to keep its overall course. Although earthquakes, fallen trees, floods, or other circumstances might disrupt it at points, the river would cut a new channel so that it would end up back at the same place. Thus, the overall physics (or metaphysics) of the space-time continuum would insure that any of Doc's memories of events that might create paradoxes would become hazy — or be erased.

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    Sounds like hand-waving to me :( – Lightness Races in Orbit May 30 '15 at 18:13
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit - The drug thing sounds very plausible. – Valorum May 30 '15 at 18:16
  • Of course this is Doc we talking about. Maybe he just forgot? – user16696 May 31 '15 at 2:03
  • I just assume that Doc was eccentric and forgetful like an absent-minded professor. – RichS Jan 23 '17 at 5:13
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If I remember correctly, in the novelisation of Part 3, 1985/1885 Doc did remember that it was he who had put Marty in the silly outfit, and even his motivation for doing so. Maybe the Ripple Effect did catch up and affect time-travellers' memories eventually. But it's an interesting twist: it's a future Doc relative to the one in 1955, but at a point in time 70 years earlier. Might there be different rules for the Effect depending on whether the person with the altered memories is in the past or the future?

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If Marty tells something to Doc in 1955, Doc should remember it (or write it down) until 1985, and therefore remember it in 1885, so there is no need for Marty to travel to 1885 from 1955.

In such case, complete plot becomes meaningless so producers in order to keep the script an production going on will ignore this nonsense and will try to give false explanations as they did in 4 possible explanations which all can be contested:

  1. Ripple Effect - can not be applied in this case since there is no history alternation from moment in 1955 until 1985 (thus in 1885)

  2. memory loss - would explain why Doc don't remember things, but is not a valid reason for Marty to start travel since Doc as scientist is expected to be sharp, but also to remember important and personal information (or write it down)

  3. Doc ignores information - in contrast to Doc's character and previous decisions. As intelligent person, if Doc knows in some point of his future he should violently die, he would easily and minimally alter his decisions in order to avoid his fate, same as he did in BtF part I when he kept Marty's letter

  4. Continuum self preservation - if this should be valid in the trilogy, then Marty, or anyone else, could never change the future by his acts in the past

Since scriptwriters are not providing explanation in the script itself, it is clearly a flaw in the plot, and the reasons it was not fixed could be it was discovered too late during production, or it was considered intended audience will not notice it.

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