In The Dragon Reborn, chapter 43, Moiraine announces that she has discovered the Chosen Sammael rules in Illian.

But how does she learn this? The Chosen are, largely, characters of legend at this point in time and there's no evidence that Moiraine has actually encountered him.

So, while she could reasonably guess that a male Chosen has taken control of the city, why Sammael rather than Rahvin or Asmodean?

  • I don't think Jordan ever tells us, but note that Moraine seems more versed in the Forsaken than even the average Aes Sedai, since she knows about the Dragon Reborn long before anyone else and has already encountered two of them.
    – KutuluMike
    Jun 1, 2015 at 22:21
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    I suggest you rename 'Chosen' to 'Forsaken', unless you want someone to think you're a Darkfriend ;-)
    – Rand al'Thor
    Jun 1, 2015 at 22:52
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    @randal'thor if you notice my last edit to this post... :p
    – TZHX
    Jun 2, 2015 at 15:26
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    You ARE a Darkfriend! :-ooo
    – Rand al'Thor
    Jun 2, 2015 at 19:30

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In an unchronicled scene, Moiraine and Lan encountered the Darkhound whose prints Lan found after the fight with the Grey Men in Nieda's inn.

"I have no time for this bickering," Moiraine broke in. "Any moment Lord Brend may learn that one of his Darkhounds is dead. You can be sure he will know that means a Warder, and he will come looking for the Gaidin's Aes Sedai. Do you mean to sit here until he discovers where you are? Move, you foolish children! Move!"


"Sammael did not send the Grey Men." Moiraine mounted Aldieb with a cool, straight-backed precision, almost as if there were no hurry. "The Darkhound was his, however. I believe it followed my trail. He would not have sent both. Someone wants you, but I do not think Sammael even knows you exist. Yet." [...]

"As well I went after you," Lan said, and the Aes Sedai sniffed loudly.

[...] "Perhaps it is well you are disobedient. Sometimes it is well. Besides, I do not think Sheriam and Siuan Sanche together could teach you obedience."

From this it seems that Moiraine either tracked down the Darkhound or was tracked down by it, that Lan killed it, and that she inferred from it somehow (presumably using the One Power) that it was sent by Sammael.

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    this just begs the question. How did she know the Darkhound was Sammaels and not someone elses? We know she figured it out "somehow" but that's kinda the point of this question :)
    – KutuluMike
    Jun 1, 2015 at 23:28
  • @MichaelEdenfield Well, it depends what the OP wants. Maybe "she learned it from the Darkhound" is enough. I doubt any more than that will be gettable from canon (there's loads of weaves we don't really know anything about), but I may be wrong...
    – Rand al'Thor
    Jun 1, 2015 at 23:52

This was actually a question asked to team Jordan, and Jordan never confirms this as the question was asked after his death. However, those of you who have read the Wheel of Time know that Jordan isn't the only source of canon: the members of his team, editors, readers, secondary author (Brandon Sanderson) are also considered canon when speaking about the books after Jordan's death. From an interview in 2013, Maria Simons (a major player on team Jordan whom Brandon Sanderson consulted throughout the last 3 books) says this,36.

TEREZ How did Moiraine identify Sammael and Be'lal? How did she know their names?

MARIA SIMONS I'm assuming research; I don't know.

TEREZ My theory was always eavesdropping.

MARIA SIMONS Oh yeah, that's another good possibility.

TEREZ And that would be a reason why she tipped Sammael off to her presence.


TEREZ How did she rediscover balefire? Assuming research again?


MARIE CURIE That question always comes up, about whether you can learn a weave by reading about it.

MARIA SIMONS Yeah, I think it can help, and then you have to experiment and hope for the best.

FOOTNOTE Maria answered the question about Sammael again later.

From an interview with Brandon Sanderson

LUCKERS How did Moiraine identify Sammael and Be’lal in The Dragon Reborn?


So all we know for sure is that Moiraine knows. But remember she does snoop, and is found out and that's why they make a run for it. So I'd say between her personal research - which was massive, as she knew some of the real names for the Forsaken as well as having some physical descriptions (remember Sammael wasn't hiding under an illusion and neither was Rahvin) - and the fact that her eavesdropping ability is a well known favorite of hers, we can assume that she put clues together to figure out who Lord Brend (aka Sammael) was.

Personal hypothesis, is that she had found a physical description of Sammael, and we know he wasnt under illusion so simply asking people what Lord Brend looked like would have let her know it was Sammael, that and the fact he had Darkhounds at his call.

  • She also seemed to know where to look; being aware that the Forsaken would want to gain positions of power in the world, she was probably listening for tales of political figures rising into power suddenly
    – childcat15
    Jun 20, 2015 at 4:39

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