At some point, with the First Men and the Children of the Forest managing to fend off the Others, Bob (a.k.a. Bran) the Builder raised the Wall.

Well, why did he raise it there? Why not farther North? It seems like they could have driven the Others further North, towards the Lands of Always Winter. So, why didn't they? Is there anything special about the wall's current location? It doesn't even seem like the shortest line across the continent, which would be sort of a diagonal from the of the Antler to Westwatch-by-the-Bridge. Plus, it seems that whoever builds a bridge (or places a very large tree across the Gorge) can just sort of bypass the wall. So again - why there?

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    Probably because GRRM wanted to mimic Hadrian's wall, which allegedly is the inspiration for the Wall.
    – TLP
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 10:30
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    Build the Wall a bit south and the ice would melt away, build the Wall farther north (where it's colder) and it would be harder for the watchers to do their duty, especially in winter. Not canon, just my understanding.
    – Nika G.
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 15:30
  • @NikaG.: Who said building the wall a bit South would make the ice melt away? It's already South of the lands-of-always-winter...
    – einpoklum
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 16:55
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    @einpoklum I haven't said that its canon. However, the Wall still "weeps" (ice melts) when it's not that cold, and this is canon. So, I theorized that if someone had built it a bit south the Wall would weep more often and with greater rate, give it some time and a decade long summer and mayhaps it will melt away.
    – Nika G.
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 17:24
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    @einpoklum: sure, but knowing that the gorge exists isn’t the same as knowing what the shortest line across the continent is. Map-making is hard. Commented Nov 28, 2016 at 15:30

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In The World of Ice & Fire: The Untold Story... the wall is mentioned as perhaps being raised by Brandon the Builder, King in the North. It can be inferred that the wall follows the old border of his kingdom. Brandon got help from the children of the forest who by that time only existed north of this border.

Maester Childer's Winters King or the Legends and Lineages of the Starks of WInterfell contains a part of a ballad alleged to tell of the time Brandon the Builder sought the aid of the children while raising the Wall.

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    How do we know the path of the wall marked the kingdom's borders?
    – einpoklum
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 17:27
  • Where does it state that the Children of the Forest only existed north of that border?
    – Telestia
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 20:15
  • that doesn't make sense. The same book, you are referring in your answer, also states that in the North there were too many petty Kings. It even list houses that were reduced from royals to vassals. Among those houses few reside north of Winterfell, so your theory says that the founder of house Stark built Wall across the border of land that once Umbers have ruled as Kings?
    – Nika G.
    Commented Jun 9, 2015 at 19:52

Because it's the least "wide" part of the island that's close to the north, requiring less material to build, while also providing as much safe land as possible.

Map of Westeros

  • 1. Which island? 2. Your map is missing a part further up north which is narrower. 3. It doesn't provide such great protection if you can just bypass it with not a whole lot of effort. Now, true, it's not a very stable bypass and you can't march armies easily over the gorge, but still.
    – einpoklum
    Commented Nov 28, 2016 at 8:21
  • @einpoklum 1. The Island of Westeros. 2. I cannot find any map that has a narrower part further up, but if it does that would be way too far north to be safe. Commented Nov 28, 2016 at 8:33
  • 1. Continent, but ok. 2. I linked to the map in my post. And the point is that the current choice if very unsafe since it's easy to get around.
    – einpoklum
    Commented Nov 28, 2016 at 9:18
  • @einpoklum That map is speculative (as the creator of the map says), so it's not a good source at all. And the "narrower" part isn't more narrow, it's wider (you can actually see it on my map aswell). Where the wall stands right now has the added benefit of having a large river, which saves the amount of wall needed. This works because, as we know, Wildlings and White Walkers don't cross water. Edit: Using your route (from Antler to Westwatch) would require them to build across 2 rivers. Edit2: Wildlings do cross water, but only as a last resort. Commented Nov 28, 2016 at 9:59
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    @einpoklum Except they can't just walk around it. They have to either descend into the dangerous gorge (where there apparently IS some body of water) or they have to fight across the bridge, which they have failed to do so multiple times. There's a good reason we see them scaling the wall in the series, since apparently the other options are more dangerous. Commented Nov 29, 2016 at 8:10

The short answer is that there's more to a large scale construction project, especially in a wintry clime, then you are giving credit for, and when you take them into account a more northerly location may be extremely foolish.

Although magic was built into the wall, it was not built exclusively (or easily) with just magic. Actual manual labor was involved.

For such a large construction project one must take logistics into account. While there may be a "narrower" span of land further North, the further north you go the more difficult it becomes to get labor and supplies (for both the construction and the labor) to the site. This would also complicate keeping the wall garrisoned after its construction. Furthermore, attempting to do construction during (permanent) winter conditions makes things radically more difficult than building in an area where there is a more hospitable, warmer period during which to build. Modern northern (US) cities do essentially zero construction during the winter months, waiting instead for warmer periods; I know Michigan natives like to quip "In Michigan we have two seasons: Winter and Construction".

It also pushes you further into contested territories, making encounters with wildlings or Others more likely, which makes the construction all the more difficult.

You also haven't accounted for the terrain. The "narrower" bits further north may be very unsuitable for the construction. It may be very far from flat, and the ground underneath may be of a material that is bad at supporting such a large structure (you wouldn't want it to collapse because of a sinking foundation, sinkhole, etc). The scenes we have seen from the TV show depicting the regions north of the wall all seem to be hilly, rocky, undeveloped terrain that would likely be problematic for construction. Trying to clear and level an otherwise smaller stretch of land and reinforcing and enlarging the foundation would take more time and resources than where it was ultimately built. We have no records of what sort of surveying Bran may have done, but it's plausible that he considered a more northerly location and ultimately decided against it because there was a far more suitable construction site further south.

Adding to the weather problems, the further north you go the more it becomes "permanent winter". Winds will naturally deposit snows at the foot of the wall, creating a snow bank far deeper than otherwise would exist; the foot on the side where you don't want enemies to be able to simply scale up a huge mound of snow to surmount the wall, at that. Such a build-up is what allows Theon and Sansa to escape Winterfell: they jump off a wall into a large build-up of powdery snow. Eventually, at such a massive height scale, the weight of the built-up snow may begin to compromise the wall itself. It may no longer be able to bear the weight of all the snow pressing against it; a large build-up would also eventually start compressing the ground beneath it, which may compromise the structural foundation of the wall. This compression also results in heating, which can cause a temperature differential between parts of the wall, which leads to stress. If the heat of the compression was eventually sufficient to melt the snow at the base, you then get additional problems: the water will start eroding the ground, seeping into any cracks in the structure or accumulating beneath the base and compromising the foundation, and if it refreezes later it will expand and put additional pressures on the wall and its foundation. All of these work against the wall being a (semi-)permanent barrier, as it may permit nature herself to destroy the wall in a matter of years.

We don't have a lot of details about the exact functions of the wall, especially the magic that was intertwined with it. Perhaps the magic not only acts as a barrier to the Others, but also was meant to be functional enough to counter some of these problems. After all, we see indications of it snowing several times at both the top and base of the wall, but there doesn't seem to be any significant build-up at the base. We see in this shot from the TV show that there is a few meters of snow built up at the gate, which has been cut through to allow transit through the gate: wall with snow build-up shown

It is mentioned that part of the duties of the Night's Watch is maintenance and repair of the wall, and to keep the forest from getting too close (this may simply be to prevent giving enemies cover, but also may be to prevent root systems from compromising the foundation). So a certain amount of damage from time and nature was already presupposed, meaning they must have tried to control how much damage could possibly accumulate so that it stayed manageable. But the forces of men and magic may not have been strong enough to counter what the wall would have to endure further north. One way or another, when we account for the complications we are likely to encounter by moving the wall further north, it becomes reasonable that at some point it becomes untenable to build there. And, seeing as the wall is where it is and lasted thousands of years, it seems it was determined that the best location for the wall is exactly where it is.

  • I think part of your premise is wrong. It is the "wildlings" who built the wall. That is, at that time there wasn't a distinction between the parts of Northern Westeros that are South or North of where the wall is during the books. Other than that, you make a lot of good points about the engineering aspect, and yet - with all said and done, you could just walk down a gorge and bypass the thing, so what's the use in making it more convenient to engineer? Still, +1.
    – einpoklum
    Commented Sep 8, 2017 at 17:12
  • @einpoklum And there's always the fact that people can just sail around it. But those are all predictable locations with nearby towers, and are choke points: going through a gorge, over mountainous terrain, or across a bay/sea is non-trivial, especially if the forces aren't originating near them, and these intrinsic obstacles act as a control that limits, if not prevents, enemies from circumventing the barrier. And apparently the WWs/Others don't know how to use boats. Commented Sep 8, 2017 at 17:44

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