Jack B Nimble answered something (to What exactly do the Malfoys do for a living? ) which seems to be in need of confirmation from the canon.

Much like the British Royalty the Malfoys have "old money" which is apparently enough that the interest can perpetuate their lifestyle.

Since Gringott's is the only bank in the Wizarding World, is there any evidence that they pay interest? They don't seem to be using the treasures stored in the vaults as money against which to make loans, so I don't think they work the same way as ordinary British banks do.

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Some of this I'm paraphrasing from articles; other parts are my own thoughts. I will source as needed. Anyhow. . .

Economics in the Wizarding world is confusing! First, we know that Gringotts is the only bank in Potterverse (and I'm not keen to argue about the plausibility factor of there being only one Wizarding bank in the world; I'm just sayin' -- canon says so, so let's just take it at face value for purposes of answering this question!) and that Gringotts is run exclusively by goblins (canon doesn't indicate who owns Gringotts), an entirely different species than humans. I'll note that Gringotts seems to employ wizards and witches, as both Bill Weasley and Fleur Delacoeur had positions at Gringotts during the series, and that the year three W.O.M.B.A.T. exam that appeared on J.K. Rowling's website on 06.13.07 indicated that the decision to leave Gringotts under the exclusive control of goblins occurred in 1865.

I do not see evidence in canon that formal interest is either distributed or collected within the Wizarding world. ETA: Page 634, Goblet of Fire, British Hardcover, in the chapter The Beginning, George and Free Weasley tell Harry about Ludo Bagman, who apparently 'borrowed' a lot of gold from goblins to gamble and was unable to pay the goblins back; however, it's not specific as to whether the goblins were representing Gringotts when they made the loan. Interest is not mentioned. (01.19.12) If one looks at canon sideways and squints hard enough, it is possible to discern goblin principles that imply interest-like beliefs/practises in a roundabout way. In Deathly Hallows, Bill Weasley has a talk with Harry about goblins and their beliefs on ownership and treasure:

‘Then I have to say this,’ Bill went on. ‘If you have struck any kind of bargain with Griphook, and most particularly if that bargain involves treasure, you must be exceptionally careful. Goblin notions of ownership, payment and repayment are not the same as human ones.’

Harry felt a slight squirm of discomfort, as though a small snake had stirred inside him. ‘What do you mean?’ he asked.

‘We are talking about a different breed of being,’ said Bill. ‘Dealings between wizards and goblins have been fraught for centuries – but you’ll know all that from History of Magic. There has been fault on both sides, I would never claim that wizards have been innocent. However, there is a belief among some goblins, and those at Gringotts are perhaps most prone to it, that wizards cannot be trusted in matters of gold and treasure, that they have no respect for goblin ownership.’

‘I respect –’ Harry began, but Bill shook his head.

‘You don’t understand, Harry, nobody could understand unless they have lived with goblins. To a goblin, the rightful and true master of any object is the maker, not the purchaser. All goblin-made objects are, in goblin eyes, rightfully theirs.’

‘But if it was bought –’

‘– then they would consider it rented by the one who had paid the money. They have, however, great difficulty with the idea of goblin-made objects passing from wizard to wizard. You saw Griphook’s face when the tiara passed under his eyes. He disapproves. I believe he thinks, as do the fiercest of his kind, that it ought to have been returned to the goblins once the original purchaser died. They consider our habit of keeping goblin-made objects, passing them from wizard to wizard without further payment, little more than theft.’

Deathly Hallows - Pages 417-418 - British Hardcover

As the goblins seem to control the Wizarding banking system, I think this is sufficient information to suggest that the Wizarding economic system is not structured exactly like Muggle society's is. Goblins consider wizards who have goblin-made objects to merely be in possession of those objects; they do not consider those wizards as owning the object, even though payment has been made. Wizards consider the exchange of gold for object as payment in full; goblins consider the exchange of gold for object as 'rent,' which could be extrapolated as a metaphor for interest. Especially since the goblins feel that when the goblin-made object passes from one person to another following death, additional payment should be made.

Importantly, the Wizarding world uses commodity money (meaning it is actually structured from something of value: gold, silver, copper) rather than fiat (paper) money (which is simply a representation of a specific monetary value that we Muggles trust has the value of which it claims). One might consider Wizarding money finite (a galleon is always worth a galleon and that never changes) and Muggle money infinite (a pound is sometimes worth a pound, but it depends on the market and interest, both of which are economic practises the Wizarding world doesn't seem to use). From The World of Harry Potter Can Teach Us a Few Things by columnist Bill Gee:

When one wants to buy something in Diagon Alley, or pay for tuition at Hogwarts School, one goes to "Gringotts", the Wizard Bank, travels to its dungeons to the family vault, and withdraws a handful of gold coins called "Galleons". What we do not see are the Goblins who run the bank taking handfuls of straw and spinning it into more gold, nor do we see Goblin "Loan Officers" offering a "low-low" rate on a personal line of credit. The money supply is relatively static, which makes the economy quite stable. A Galleon has relatively the same value as it did a thousand years ago, and life seems to go on just fine.

There is no mention of taxation in Potterverse.

Capitalism seems to be represented, ala Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezes and Professor Slughorn's aside that he might get ten galleons a hair when he procures Hagrid's collection of unicorn tail hairs during the Felix Felicis chapter in Half-Blood Prince. In Order of the Phoenix, Ravenclaw Eddie Carmichael sells a memory-enhancing potion to the fifth years who are revising for their O.W.L.s (apparently it's a worthless potion, though!). Etc.

Frankly, indentured servitude is represented by the house-elves, which is parallel to Muggle economies that rely on sinfully low wages for labour that the majority of the population either won't do for less than a particular wage and/or openly exploit disadvantaged and disempowered populations as part of the structure of what they see as a valid business model (I'm not here to argue the ethics of this; I'm merely presenting this factually). Wherever there is slave-labour, the economy is going to be effected by that, in theory positively.

There is fake money -- Leprechaun's gold -- in the Wizarding world, which is without value much in the same way counterfeited money is in the Muggle world. False or counterfeited money weaving in and out of the economy will affect it in relation to how much profit is lost due to theft; this ultimately, I think, would impact the accuracy of the GNP.

From Exploring the Economic Structure of Harry Potter’s World by Daniel Levy and Avichai Snir of Emory University:

The authors conclude that the Potterian economic model is not a coherent model that fits neatly into one of the standard economic models. Some aspects of the Potterian economy fit well with one type of economic model, while other aspects are consistent with another type of economic model. For example, says Levy, many aspects of the Potterian model that emphasize the problems of inequality as a shortcoming of the capitalist system have Marxian features. At the same time, however, the books frequently adopt a more mainstream “public choice” point of view by portraying the large Potterian government as infested with rent-seeking bureaucrats who limit the spirit of free entrepreneurship and therefore, the ability of individuals to climb up the social ladder.

Could the Geminio Curse be considered a form of interest when applied to gold and treasures in the vaults at Gringotts (ala the Lestranges' vault)? Touching the gold or treasure causes it to multiply infinitely, and canon doesn't address whether the copy holds the same value as the original. ETA: The more I think about it, the less I believe Geminio can be considered an analogy for interest because of what I note below: Conjured items will not last, and treasure and money born from magic count as having been conjured, IMO.

J.K. Rowling does state there are laws legislating what can and cannot be conjured by magic. I'm guessing that conjuring money is a big no-no. Money may also be one of the five exceptions to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration; the only exception confirmed in canon is food. However, if I were to make a guess, I would postulate money and/or precious metals would be on that list as well. I base this guess on the fact that, according to J.K. Rowling, conjured items are not permanent and eventually disappear, ala Leprechaun's gold.

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    Well, a friend of mine did a presentation on Wizarding economics at Phoenix Rising in 2007 (HP con) thephoenixrises.org/programming/accepted Scroll down to "The Goblin Financial Monopoly", and I tried to find his paper online, so was using a ongoing variety of terms for Google, and I found these two articles and they seemed well-presented and logical. :) Commented Jan 18, 2012 at 0:58
  • Interesting. Can you point to a source for that bit about conjured items not being permanent? I don't recall hearing that before.
    – Joe White
    Commented Jan 19, 2012 at 13:46
  • @JoeWhite -- There's mention of it in HP Wiki, but I don't like to use that as a source because I find it inconsistent in accuracy. Unfortunately accio-quote.org is down right now. Still, here is the Transfiguration link (see Conjuration): harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Transfiguration A canon example of this is Leprechaun's gold in GoF -- the gold disappears after a while (Ron gave Harry Leprechaun's gold at the Quidditch Wold Cup to pay him back for Omnioculars, not knowing the gold wasn't real) - :) Commented Jan 19, 2012 at 15:54
  • Sure, I knew about leprechaun gold, I just thought that was the exception rather than the rule. The fake Sword of Gryffindor seemed to hold up pretty well for several months at least (although there's no mention of how it was made -- it may well have been something a good bit fancier than Geminio).
    – Joe White
    Commented Jan 20, 2012 at 5:31
  • Maybe a sly dig at the publishing industry here? Although the goblin mindset is even closer to the recording industry who seem to think they still own the music you've bought. Commented Apr 4, 2013 at 9:05

Most of my answer is speculation, but could give an explanation to "old money".

In the CoS, we see Hermione exchanging Muggle Money for Galleons. This could possible mean that in order to gain interest, the Malfoy's (and other wizarding families) withdraw significant amounts to be put into Muggle banks, where they will gain interest in order to be converted at Gringotts.

The Ministry of Magic could also do this in conjunction with both the Muggle and Gringotts banks on a bigger scale, and therefore be the ones paying for the "interest" they invest using the money located at Gringotts (by exchanging it with Muggle money and investing that). In this way, the value of your money has a parallel in the Muggle world, which follows the exchange into Galleons, Sickles, and Knuts from follars (or in this case quid). This would also explain how Muggle-born wizards in other countries pay for items.


Even if Gringotts doesn't pay interest, if you already have gold you can use it to produce more via investments, etc. I don't think there's any explicit reference to the terms of Gringotts' saving accounts, but if you want a reference there's always Pottermore's Gringotts. Apparently its terms are as follows:

You are charged 15 points each period

Each period is 1 week

You earn 5% interest, which is paid every week

Withdrawal rate is 5%

Maximum value for interests is 50 points


I'm drawing a long bow to link the two though. :)

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    Could you please elaborate on what in the world "Pottermore's Gringotts" is and how it relates to "real" Gringotts? Commented Jan 17, 2012 at 22:39
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    Pottermore is a Rowling-created website based around the HP world. Unfortunately it is still in a limited beta, so I can't confirm exactly what role Gringotts plays in it, other than as a repository for "points". Both are created by Rowling, but I don't know to what extant she has designed the website to be canon or not.
    – dlanod
    Commented Jan 18, 2012 at 0:03
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    Pottermore is considered canon by now. Sadly. Commented Jun 20, 2016 at 2:09
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    @DVK-on-Ahch-To - This information does not come from Pottermore. It appears to be from some fansite, (the link goes to a fan forum discussing an interface on said forum). Pottermore has never had a Gringotts interest system.
    – ibid
    Commented Dec 10, 2017 at 1:45
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    @ibid - Agreed. I can find no reference to this in any canon instance. They're discussing the points mechanism on their own (fan-)website.
    – Valorum
    Commented Dec 10, 2017 at 19:39

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