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In Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, we encounter an Oberth Class starship for the first time, namely the USS Grissom:

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An interesting feature of its design is that the saucer section is connected to the warp nacelles, instead of having a central strut.

Noting that the Grissom is a science vessel, what is the reason or advantage behind this relatively atypical design?

In particular, it seems that crew members travelling from the saucer section to the drive section would need to take turbolifts that pass through one of the nacelle struts. At first glance, this is less efficient than turbolifts passing through a central strut.

Is there some benefit (e.g. a scientific one) to be gained from leaving the space between the saucer and drive sections completely open?

I am looking for an in-universe answer. (Out-of-universe, the Rule of Cool almost certainly applies.)

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  • "our one and only encounter with the USS Grissom" - with that particular ship, yes, but other Oberth class starships have frequently appeared throughout the run of TNG. – O. R. Mapper Jul 2 '15 at 6:45
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    Related: Size of the Oberth class; also, it is not completely clear that the lower section is supposed to be accessed by crew on a regular basis at all. – O. R. Mapper Jul 2 '15 at 6:48
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    @O.R.Mapper : An interesting point! (Also, I have updated the wording, re: Oberth Class.) – Praxis Jul 2 '15 at 7:32
  • How do you get between the hulls, other the crawling through the Jeffries tubes? Seems a bit of a palaver since we see on the Enterprise people go back and forth between Engineering and the saucer section all the time – Gaius Jun 23 '18 at 14:29
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Conjecture Alert

There doesn't seem to be an in-universe reason provided, however, I'll make a few stabs in the dark.

Memory Alpha explains that:

The outboard plan of the Oberth's design incorporated a unique split hull design, with an upper primary hull that was composed mainly of the saucer section, which was mounted onto a rear extension that mounts the impulse drive, and warp drive nacelles to either side to the saucer. The secondary hull was connected to the primary hull at the nacelles by reinforced pylons. The secondary hull itself was oblong in shape

According to the Memory Alpha page on the Oberth Class, as a science vessel, they were fitted with specialised shielding to allow the ship to cope with pushing through gravitational wavefronts. There could be an advantage in separating the saucer from the main body of the ship in this way. It could result in reduced hull stress potentially by increasing the surface area (I'm no physicist so I don't know if this is a sound conclusion (pun intended)).

Alternatively, it could be an contingency plan. As they were predominately designed to be a science ship, should something go terribly wrong in one hull, then the connections in the pylons could contain dividers which seal off the offending hull. Now, there is no evidence that I have found to support to this conclusion, just warning you, however it seems a reasonable conclusion to me. There is no secondary bridge according to the schematics I've looked at at least, however, according to the Memory Alpha page, in DS9: Emissary we see the secondary hull had a docking port, whilst we know that the primary upper hull had a shuttlebay and access to escape pods, so from either hull one could exit the ship.

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  • Very reasonable conjectures! :-) – Praxis Jul 2 '15 at 5:59
  • Suacer separation and a thin (two, also thin) shipnecks would be have the same effect and be much more efficient – Petersaber Jul 2 '15 at 6:34
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    @Petersaber I had that thought as well, but we hadn't seen saucer-separation in any canon works at this stage (bear in mind TAS isn't canon) let alone real-life; it probably wasn't an easy task for models in production so they went for this design. Like I say it's just conjecture – Often Right Jul 2 '15 at 6:35
  • @N_Soong true, true. – Petersaber Jul 2 '15 at 7:14
  • The hull stress could be right there....as 2 struts disperse all stress evenly between them which 1 strut can't. (and in combat I can easily see 2 struts being a....hindrance as you only need to destroy 1 "smaller" component than the larger one which most federation vessels have) – Thomas Oct 13 '17 at 16:31
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It doesn't say so anywhere I've found, but the lower hull may be a modular or "swapable" section. Since its such a small ship and its scientific duties would be widely varied, it seems reasonable that the lower hulls can be swapped out for mission-specific platforms. This would increase their flexibility and reduce the costs of building several whole ships, and having them separated from the hull would make the process a lot faster and simpler.

For example, if Starfleet expected to need (over a 5-year period) three small ships for planetary surveys, three for space phenomena studies, and one electronic warfare platform for the fleet, they'd need to build seven ships. Or they could build three ships plus four additional lower hulls at a third to half the price that could be stored until needed.

Keep in mind that, as the Oberths got older, more were seen as specialist ships, not always science vessels. By the middle of TNG and the beginning of DS9, Oberths were being used as personnel transports, high-priority freighters, couriers, tech support ships, etc. The Cochrane was Admiral Setie's personal VIP transport for awhile, then continued as a long-range personnel carrier. The Pegasus was used to test experimental equipment, such as a Federation cloaking device and the Type-X phasers. I've even seen an image of one without the lower hull being used as shipyard's tug/crane. (BTW, the same thing happened to the real world BB-5 Kearsarge when it was converted to Crane Ship No.1 in 1920.)

The modular idea isn't without precedent. Bridges, sensor pallets, and other external equipment are known to be "plug-and-play" modules. One of the theoretical replacements for the Galaxy-class included huge pie-shaped saucer sections that could be swapped out for mission-specific needs. So again, its just a theory, but it makes a lot of things make more sense.

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  • If I remember a cross section drawing the elongated secondary hull is primarily an all sensor core with some cargo holds. As in Star Trek INSPECTION when we see Picard gathering weapons and other gear he is internship beaming it to the Captains Yacht when his Command Crew discovers his activities. One explanation might be as simple as the secondary hull is normally non-habitable. Another scenario is seen when large cargo, service pods and cylinders dry or wet cargo containers are attached to magnetic latching ferings. A plyone would get in the way. – templerman Jan 20 '19 at 4:37
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I always imagined that, as a science vessel, they might be regularly working with hazardous compounds or infectious contagions that even a level-ten forcefield couldn't contain safely.

By keeping the critical ship's operation areas like the bridge, engineering, etc on the top/primary hull, and keeping the science labs and hazardous materials storage in the lower/secondary hull, they could have an additional level of safety and decrease the likelihood of a catastrophic, ship-destroying incident.

As for getting between the two sections, maybe they are intentionally separated? If not, I speculate they are accessed exclusively through Jefferies tubes on either nacelle strut.

Also, I bet they have an explosive bolt system to allow a one time separation so that the primary (or secondary, in the case of a warp core breach assuming a primary hull engineering bay) hull can be used as a life boat, and put some distance between the crew and the impending doom.

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  • Whilst this appears like some nice speculation do you have any supporting evidence you can edit in? – TheLethalCarrot Jan 31 '19 at 0:11
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Could be that the lower hull was strictly sensors and related equipment, and rarely needed crew access. The Romulan Warbird of the TNG era had a similar design, although, with Romulans, who knows why

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    This feels more like a (speculative) comment than an fully-fleshed answer. Can you offer any specific evidence to back it up? – Valorum Mar 6 '19 at 14:06
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The Oberth class science vessel is limited to a low warp speed ref Memory Alpha page.
It is also the most prevalent Federation in the vastness of of Federation space. ref fleet size and strengths of DITL
It is seen to have exceptional shield strength as seen in TNG episode Hero Worship against gravimetric sheer.
I propose that all these, plus the fact it is named after scientist Berth, that the divergence in appearance to other Starfleet vessels, is that it regularly uses the Oberth effect to achieve a very high, efficient warp velocity. This is a recognised procedure as used in the ST movie, Voyage Home by Kirk.

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  • The first line says it is limited to low warp. The last paragraph tries to say an Oberth-class vessel has a very high speed. Furthermore, the Oberth effect is a chemical propulsion technique used with a planet's gravity well, and would not work in deep space where they actually use warp drive. Lastly, who is "scientist Berth"? – T.J.L. Mar 3 '20 at 15:11

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