14

In the movie Terminator 2: Judgment Day, the T-1000 kills Todd and Janelle, John Connor's foster parents. The killings take place on the evening of the day he, and the T-800, arrived in 1995. In what seems like mere minutes after the killings, the police show up at Pescadero Mental Hospital and question Sarah Connor about the murders.

This seems rather difficult to explain. We see the T-1000 killing Todd on camera - it turns its arm into a giant knife and stabs him through the face. We don't see Janelle's death, but it is probably safe to assume that she, too, was stabbed to death. Stabbing is a very quiet way to kill someone, so it is not likely that the neighbors heard anything. If the T-1000 had shot them to death, it would be a different story entirely - it would be quite likely that the neighbors would have heard the gunshots, and therefore, called the police. But we can probably assume that the neighbors had nothing to do with the police discovering the murders.

It also appears that the only person who knew that Todd and Janelle were in danger was John, and although he calls home to warm them about the threat (which he does too late to save them, unfortunately), he never calls the police; indeed, once the T-800 confirmed that his foster parents were dead, he had no reason to call the police.

And yet, mere minutes after the killings occur, the police show up at the mental hospital and ask Sarah about it. They produce photos of the first T-800, from 1984, taken during his rampage through the police precinct in which he killed a billion cops. They say "These were taken in 1984." Then they pull out photos of the new T-800, taken in the mall shootout by a Japanese tourist. They say "And these were taken this afternoon."

Sarah is unresponsive. Her interrogator says:

Ms. Connor, we know you know who this guy is. I just sat here and told you that your son is missing... that the foster parents have been murdered. We know this guy's involved. Doesn't that mean anything to you? Don't you care?

But he never explains how he knows that a murder has taken place. There doesn't seem to be any logical explanation of how the police became aware of the crime.

Several factors combined to suggest that the police arrived at Pescadero within minutes, or at most, an hour or so, of the deaths.

  • It is dark out when Janelle/T-1000 kills Todd. It is also dark out when Sarah is interrogated. It is still dark out much later, after John and the T-800 have broken Sarah out of the hospital and begun to flee from the T-1000. This suggests that the killings, and the interrogation, happened relatively early in the night.

  • The Cop specifically says that the mall photos were taken earlier that same day. Again, enough time has passed for the cops to obtain the photos, but not probably not much more than that.

  • The T-800 and John have not yet arrived at Pescadero to save Sarah, which was the first real order John issued to the T-800. He probably demanded that the T-800 help him save Sarah as soon as the thought occurred to him, which probably didn't take very long.

  • The interrogation scene is Sarah's third questioning session since the movie began. Most mental hospitals wouldn't subject their patients to anything like this, and Sarah seems to be playing the part of the shell shocked lunatic drugged out of her mind and all but comatose from her medications.

Or rather, there is only one explanation that makes any sense to me. We do know that John's dog wasn't especially prone to barking. But as everyone knows, dogs can detect Terminators by scent, and bark like crazy when they sniff out a Terminator. When John calls home to warm Todd and Janelle, he hears his dog barking in the background, and if I'm not mistaken, he actually remarks about how unusual the barking is. If the dog, who is normally well behaved and quiet, suddenly burst into a fit of loud barking, it is conceivable that the neighbors might get annoyed and call 911. This could explain why the cops came to the house.

But it doesn't explain how and why the police got inside the house. To do that, they would need one of three things: A warrant, probable cause, or an invitation. They certainly didn't have an invitation, since the home owners were already dead. It seems unlikely that they would have a warrant either, because you don't get warrants for barking dog complaints. Could they have had probable cause? I don't see why they would. Probable cause means that the officer has very good reason to believe that a crime is being committed. Smelling pot smoke, hearing someone screaming in pain, that sort of thing. Unless the responding officer literally saw one or more of the corpses, or at least the blood from said corpses, he would not have probable cause to enter the home.

So how were the police able find out so quickly that Todd and Janelle were dead?

  • 3
    1. Not being an American, I'm not sure how probable cause works. If, after repeatedly knocking and calling out to the residents, nobody opens the door, are the police justified if they break open the door? 2. Is it possible that, having identified the T-800 as very dangerous, they sent cops to check if John's safe (as a known relative of Sarah)? Having a known threat on the loose, if nobody opens the door (... same as (1)) – muru Jul 5 '15 at 7:58
  • @muru - 1). No, on a call as insignificant as a barking dog complaint, the cops would not be allowed to go into the house without permission or a warrant, no matter whether the occupants were at home or not. 2). If the cops saw the T-800 and sent a cruiser to John's house that quickly, they deserve a medal for it. Or not, since the Foster parents were dead anyway. – Wad Cheber Jul 5 '15 at 8:01
  • 6
    Actually, lights on, car in drive way, dog barking like that, the cop probably looked around the house when noone answered. He looked in the kitchen window and saw the bodies. I doubt the T1000 would hide or clean them up. – user16696 Jul 5 '15 at 8:36
  • 2
    Or even close the door on the way out – user16696 Jul 5 '15 at 8:36
  • 1
    I think this question is largely a duplicate of this one./ – Valorum Jul 5 '15 at 9:21
17

I think I understand the cause of your confusion; Once you learn that Max (AKA Wolfie) was killed by the T-1000 in a deleted scene and that the photo-taking tourist was present at the original police-station massacre, everything else falls into place.

The order of events is as follows;

  • The T-1000 acquires John at the Arcade.
  • John's friend (Tim) tells him to run, a firefight ensues nearby.
  • A tourist An off-duty policeman who was present at the original police-station massacre takes photos of the T-800
  • The police arrive and ask the witnesses whether they saw anything suspicious - (At this point, it's possible that John's friend told the police of John's sudden disappearance mere seconds before the firefight - He could also have given them Todd and Janelle's address).
  • The police collect and process the policeman's photos. They would have been told about the fact that this related to the infamous cop-killer. The name "Sarah Connor" would likely have been mentioned
  • The police would likely have heard that there was a policeman asking about a John Connor
  • Based on this intel, the police went around to the the Voight's house. They discover the dead dog and may have been able to see the corpses through the kitchen window.

Update - The T-1000 left the door open.

enter image description here

  • 4
    "At the point, we can presume that John's friend told the police of John's sudden disappearance mere seconds before the firefight.." Wait ..what?!? I took his red-headed friend as being the one person he trusted not to talk to the police about him. After all, is he going to go on to add.. "Yeah, I warned John when the cop arrived and told him to beat it.." His friend might have grown up to be quite a law abiding citizen, or maxed out to become a major criminal, but at that age, he was definitively on the 'bad boy' side of the scale. – Andrew Thompson Jul 5 '15 at 12:09
  • 9
    @AndrewThompson - His friend seemed to be (at best) a low-level tearaway. When faced with the police asking serious questions about his friend possibly being abducted and/or murdered, I think we can reasonably assume he folded faster than Superman on wash-day. – Valorum Jul 5 '15 at 12:55
  • 2
    @WadCheber that's probably one of the reasons why they deleted the scene. Even Skynet doesn't like dogs getting hurt. – Liesmith Jul 5 '15 at 21:05
  • 4
    @AndrewThompson - You're comparing two totally different situations: Yes, the ginger kid tried to cover for John when a cop showed up asking questions about him, which is not surprising. But then John ran out of the arcade, and a gunfight broke out. People were being shot, and all hell was breaking loose. That changed things quite dramatically. Helping your friend avoid police attention regarding a presumably minor offense is one thing. Refusing to talk to police after two people try to shoot your friend to death is something else entirely. – Wad Cheber Jul 5 '15 at 21:12
  • 2
    @AndrewThompson - I've found a plausible in-universe explanation. The photo-taking tourist was in fact present at the original massacre. – Valorum Jul 7 '15 at 21:05

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.