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Specifically a

T.A.R.D.I.S. ?

Based on the following clues...

  • The wall art in the Under Gallery included some TARDIS-interior roundel style visuals.
  • The Under Gallery curator is VERY heavily hinted to be a future incarnation of The Doctor.
  • None of UNIT staff seem to notice the very obvious facial similarity, not even Kate, assuming they meet (possibly similar kind of mental interference as in the Black Archive).
  • The buildings are only 3.6 Km apart and the TARDIS interior has been described as rather large previously.
  • Kate claimed the TARDIS couldn't land in the Black Archive. Very few circumstances can block a TARDIS from landing, but landing inside (a much more experienced version of) itself is likely one of them. And indeed the Doctor tried and failed to land the TARDIS there.

re the comment There have been a few instances of "TARDIS in TARDIS" but they have all been considered very bad things to happen.

Also...

At the end of the show there are 3 TARDISs in the "painting room" but that could easily be explained by temporarily removing the room to normal space for the evening.

So, is there any real-world evidence that this is what the writers intended ?

Additional in-universe evidence welcomed but is not the answer I'm looking for, thanks.

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    Wow, that's mind-blowing! The Seventy-Third Doctor, played by New Tom Baker, retires to be a curator and turns his TARDIS into the gallery! Turning 'keeper of the TARDIS' into a paid job and giving it a fancy title like 'curator' sounds like a Doctorish thing to do :-P – Rand al'Thor Jul 5 '15 at 23:12
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    I can tell you in advance that there's absolutely no in-universe basis for this rather odd fan-theory. – Valorum Jul 5 '15 at 23:13
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    @Richard OP provided the in-universe basis, all inferred from the episode. Op of course is asking for out-of-universe proof or nudge-nudging – user16696 Jul 6 '15 at 0:43
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    As for a tardis inside another tardis, this was shown in Space/Time mini-episodes. Literally the Tardis inside itself. And the Doctor's Wife, a half complete tardis core inside the Tardis, and in a classic who Logopolis, the Master's Tardis and the Doctor's Tardis landed in each other's causing a loop. – user16696 Jul 6 '15 at 0:48
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    I vote to close because this might not be answerable until the 100 anniversary special. – tilley31 Jul 8 '15 at 20:57
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As some commenters have already suggested that there is no basis for this theory, and as nothing has come forth after some time has passed, I thought it would be worth examining your points critically to see if the theory holds any weight at all, or if alternative explanations might be more plausible, as a frame-challenge.

The wall art in the Under Gallery included some TARDIS-interior roundel style visuals.

It could be just that - "wall art". And it wouldn't be the only Timelord art on display in the gallery.

The Under Gallery curator is VERY heavily hinted to be a future incarnation of The Doctor.

That much is true. In fact, it is more than hinted at if you look at the extended universe. I'm told the novelisation of Day of The Doctor confirms it too. But if the buildings are his TARDIS then presumably he travelled there in it, in which case The Doctor must have invited UNIT to set up in it rather than UNIT creating the space, which flies in the face of your next point that Kate doesn't know who The Curator is.

None of UNIT staff seem to notice the very obvious facial similarity, not even Kate, assuming they meet (possibly similar kind of mental interference as in the Black Archive).

Well, they wouldn't. Tom Baker, as he is now, is barely recognisable from his younger days playing The Doctor. In-universe, the 4th Doctor never aged that far before his regeneration.

The buildings are only 3.6 Km apart and the TARDIS interior has been described as rather large previously.

I don't really get this part of your theory - are you suggesting that the two buildings are the same space, spanning the 3.6km distance between them? If so, you're describing something that is big on the inside AND big on the outside. That isn't what a TARDIS is.

Also, if they are the same space (ie a TARDIS) they still have different entrances. I don't know of any TARDIS which has two entrances. Although dimensional transcendentalism is a bit of a constantly unravelling mystery, the way I understand it is that the TARDIS maintains both the interior and exterior dimensions (in 'Flatline' the exterior shrunk while the interior remained the same). Having two entrances to the same space would require the TARDIS to maintain an exterior that matched the interior, defeating the whole object of fitting a big space inside a smaller space.

If you meant that the two locations are two individual TARDISes then it begs the question where the other one came from. Assuming The Doctor fixed the chameleon circuit on his own then he'd have to have obtained at least one other, otherwise, he's got his hands on two new working ones. Also in this case, their being 3.6km apart adds no weight to the theory, as two TARDISes could be right next to each other and still be massive inside.

Kate claimed the TARDIS couldn't land in the Black Archive. Very few circumstances can block a TARDIS from landing, but landing inside (a much more experienced version of) itself is likely one of them. And indeed the Doctor tried and failed to land the TARDIS there.

The Doctor was also previously unaware of both spaces, so perhaps the inference is that he had never been to either of them because they had deliberately been made TARDIS-proof?

Both locations contained alien artefacts, including at least one Vortex Manipulator which we know can emit artron energy and can interfere with TARDIS navigation (as demonstrated in Rosa). Perhaps this, and other artefacts contained therein are what prevent the TARDIS from entering?

But also - we have to take what she said at complete face-value, which is that the TARDIS cannot land there. It clearly has no problem actually being in the under-gallery because, as the final scenes of Day of the Doctor show, all three TARDISes are sitting there as the Doctors exit one-by-one. The Twelfth Doctor's TARDIS is still right behind him as he has the conversation with the Curator in front of those beautiful roundels. No explanation is given as to how the three TARDISes got there - perhaps UNIT physically moved them there, as they moved Twelve's at the beginning of the episode? In any case, they have no problem operating and leaving from there, so perhaps it is just locking on to it as a destination that is not permitted?


As stated, this isn't meant to rip your theory to shreds, but just to provide a frame-challenge and alternate theories.

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  • love a good frame-challange . that said, continuity in DW is uniquely pliable. "I'm told the novelisation of Day of The Doctor confirms it too." Interesting, Thanks, I must have a read of that. – John McNamara Jun 12 '19 at 15:27
  • "The Doctor must have invited UNIT to set up in it" and "I don't really get this part of your theory ..... That isn't what a TARDIS is." and "I don't know of any TARDIS which has two entrances. " I am indeed suggesting that the "n"th Doctor may have used his TARDIS to create a giant basement under London City and allowed/invited/tricked UNIT and possibly others into using it. I agree that the idea clashes with the typical portrayal in the TV series but similar and far wilder things have happened in the non-TV novels. And the show was a special occasion. – John McNamara Jun 12 '19 at 15:29
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    "Kate claimed the TARDIS couldn't land in the Black Archive." Perhaps they have a "shield" they can just switch on/off ? Also, how could she possibly be so certain ? Only from experience or assurance from a suitable authority on TimeLord tech that was trusted ? – John McNamara Jun 12 '19 at 15:29
  • @JohnMcNamara My post is partly theory also, but alternative theories to yours as a frame-challenge. You mentioned that all TARDIS-in-TARDIS situations have been bad, and so by your own reasoning 100% of the available evidence is against it. – Astralbee Jun 12 '19 at 15:58

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