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For questions about The Silmarillion, a collection of works by J.R.R. Tolkien posthumously published by his son, Christopher in 1977. Also refers to the unpublished body of work of the same title that the former was based on. Always use in conjunction with the [tolkiens-legendarium] tag.

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What are all the prophecies in The Lord of the Rings?

I'm looking for a definitive list of all of the prophecies* that have been made within the world of The Lord of the Rings. The only one I can think of (off the top of my head) is when Glorfindel 2.0 ...
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What happened to Pelmar and the originally sketched Arda?

I’m currently reading through The Silmarillion, and there is this map's discrepancy that I cannot get my head around. First, there was this sketch of Arda with a central landmass Pelmar, the west and ...
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Were Dior, Eluréd, and Elurín given the same choice as the other Peredhil?

At the end of the First Age, the surviving Half-Elven were given the choice to be either fully Elves or fully Men. Elrond chose Elven-kind and Elros chose Mankind. It appears that Elrond's children ...
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Why does Isildur claim to have defeated Sauron when Gil-galad and Elendil did it?

It is well-known that Isildur cut the Ring from Sauron, as in The Fellowship of the Ring, The Shadow of the Past Elrond says: It was Gil-galad, Elven-king and Elendil of Westernesse who ...
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Are the Silmarils and the Rings of Power the same basic thing? [closed]

To my understanding, this question roughly translates as: Are fëa (souls) compositionally the same as "holy light" (e.g. from the Two Lamps, Two Trees, Silmarils, etc.)? In the same way that ...
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How are Orcs so prolific in Tolkien?

The question as to how Orcs reproduce is one that has come up many times, and the answer is basically, as they are just corrupted Elves they do it in the traditional fashion. For the Orcs had life ...
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Who made the ring of Barahir

In JRR Tolkien's work the Ring of Barahir (RoB) was one of the key heirlooms of the Heirs of Elendil. There is a relevant passage I recall, (I think it is from "Appendix A" of LotR, but my ...
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What has appeared in Rings of Power S1 that is outside Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, but still in Tolkien's writings?

While people are quite, and even singularly, focused on things that appear in The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power that aren't in Tolkien's writings anywhere, what I find interesting are things that ...
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Why shouldn't Angrod have forgotten that his father was a lord of the Noldor?

In the XIII chapter of the Silmarillion, Caranthir addressing Angrod says: “But Caranthir, who loved not the sons of Finarfin, and was the harshest of the brothers and the most quick to anger, cried ...
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Did a dragon ever attack the lands of Rohan or Gondor?

I would like to know if there is anything mentioned in LOTR canon that mentions that a dragon had once attacked the lands of Rohan and/or Gondor, either during the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Age. Did a dragon ...
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In "The Silmarillion", why did not all the creatures living in total darkness become evil/deformed?

Large stretches of time pass in The Silmarillion with there being no Sun. And when it comes, it's like a little "prop" that just looks nice on the sky. Does this not meant that all the Elves ...
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Why do the Dunedain wear Fëanorian stars?

Why do the Dunedain wear Fëanorian stars? Is it because of their Noldorin descent through Ëarendil?
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Are there any battle speeches given by Elven commanders in Tolkien's legendarium?

I am looking for battle speeches like the one Théoden gave prior to the Battle of the Pelennor Fields in The Return of the King: Arise! Arise, riders of Théoden! Spears shall be shaken, shields shall ...
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Where has Tolkien's Second Age material been published?

A new Tolkien collection, The Fall of Númenor, is due to be published in a few months. It will contain all of the second age material. I believe this will all be reprints. Aside from The Silmarillion ...
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Why didn't Morgoth corrupt the other races of Middle Earth?

I am aware that it is a hotly debated topic on what the true origins of Orcs are. However, assuming that Morgoth did create Orcs by corrupting Elves; why didn't he do the same thing for the other ...
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Would Gandalf know Sauron personally?

The thought just occurred to me that the two had co-existed for eons. Even not taking the music of the Ainur into account, wouldn't they have had ample opportunity to interact with each other on Arda ...
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Why did Tar-Calion listen to Sauron and become so evil?

Around the beginning of his rule, Tar-Calion the Golden was a dear friend to Amandil the Lord of Andúnië, despite Amandil being leader of the Faithful, and he let him be a member of the Council of ...
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Why could Melkor's forces not detect Gondolin by flying around?

If I understand correctly, Gondolin was not protected by any magical or godly means hiding it from Melkor and his forces. Now, the Echoriad mountains were pretty far up North, and also not that far (...
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What do the family relations between the Valar mean?

TL;DR: Some of the Valar are described in the Silmarillion as husband and wife, and others are described as siblings. But it seems that the Ainur don't procreate, and it's unclear what marriage means ...
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Why didn't the Valar make a Ring of Power?

Sauron made the One Ring to rule them all by transferring some of his essence into it as a power amplifier. Morgoth also did this in a different way, using the whole of Arda as a Ring. Why didn't the ...
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Is there any solid evidence that Sauron was originally called Mairon?

It's common knowledge now that Mairon was a smith of Aule and one of the greatest smiths to be known before he became corrupted and commonly known as Sauron. I want to know if anyone knows any ...
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Are elves born in Valinor after the year of the trees Calaquendi?

Calaquendi are the group of elves in Tolkien’s Legendarium that beheld the light of the two trees in Valinor. It consists of the Vanyar, Noldor, Falmari, and Thingol out of all Umanyar. Can the status ...
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Which did Tolkien create first, Utumno or Angband?

In the First Age, Melkor had two fortresses, first Utumno and then Angband. Utumno was the older and greater fortress, but it was destroyed by the Valar in the War for Sake of the Elves. Later, ...
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Is the Timeless Void the same Void outside Eru's Timeless Hall?

Is the Timeless Void the same as the Void outside Eru's Timeless Hall before the creation of Eä? Or are they connected as a continuous empty Space? In the Silmarillion, it is said that Valar thrust ...
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What (if anything) do we know about the orcs who fought against Sauron?

So, in this question, I saw that it was mentioned that all the races of Middle-earth, save the Elves, fought both for and against Sauron during the War of the Last Alliance. The Silmarillion states: ...
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Do we know anything at all about Hobbits in the First or Second Age?

From "Prologue: Concerning Hobbits": It is plain indeed that in spite of later estrangement Hobbits are relatives of ours: far nearer to us than Elves, or even than Dwarves. Of old they ...
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How old is Círdan at the end of the Third Age?

It seems likely that Círdan is the oldest living Elf at the end of the Third Age, see here. Can we estimate how old he is? I don't think we can get an exact figure, since we don't know when exactly he ...
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Did Tolkien intend to expand the Ents' role in The Silmarillion?

It seems that Tolkien came up with the Ents as he was writing The Lord of the Rings, and then inserted them into his work on the Silmarillion. In the published form of The Silmarillion, the Ents' role ...
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Did Tolkien come up with the Ents as he was writing Lord of the Rings, or before?

Ents play a pretty important role in The Lord of the Rings. However, they existed as far back as the First Age. I expected them to have a pretty big role in The Silmarillion when I started reading it. ...
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Did Anglachel intentionaly prick Túrin's foot?

In the story of the children of Húrin, Beleg is granted a gift by King Thingol, and he asks for the sword Anglachel. Melian warns him of the evil of the sword, and says that it will not love the hand ...
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Did Elrond have a right to the throne of Númenor?

In case the line of the Kings of Númenor would have gone extinct, would Elrond Half-elven, being the brother of Númenor's first king Elros Tar-Minyatur, have had a right to the throne of Númenor, or ...
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What oath does Finrod refer to when speaking with Beren?

In Chapter 19 of The Silmarillion, there is the following passage: Thus Beren came before King Finrod Felagund; and Felagund knew him, needing no ring to remind him of the kin of Bëor and of Barahir. ...
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What words of Caranthir is Angrod thinking of?

In chapter 15 of The Silmarillion, the story of the kinslaying of the Noldor is discovered by Thingol, but it seems it is tempered with lies/inaccuracies. He accuses Finrod and Angrod and all the rest,...
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Why didn't the Valar care that Middle-earth was in darkness during the Years of the Trees?

It is said that the Valar made the Sun and the Moon: for they remembered the Avari that remained by the waters of their awakening, and they did not utterly forsake the Noldor in exile. But even ...
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Is there any meaning to the ages of the Years of the Tree?

It is said in The Silmarillion that Melkor was a prisoner for "three ages" before he had another trial and was released. It is estimated that this was about 2,900 years; see, e.g., this ...
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Did the Light of the Trees diminish after the creation of the Silmarils?

There is something that is not made explicit in The Silmarillion, and I wondered if J. R. R. had ever discussed it in one his letters or other writings. Did the Light of the Trees diminish after ...
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Why didn't Ar-Gimilzôr make his second son Gimilkhâd throne heir?

Ar-Gimilzôr's oldest son who eventually became King Tar-Palantir was faithful to the Valar and a friend of the elves, unlike his younger brother Gimilkhâd who was like his father. Since Ar-Gimilzôr ...
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Do you really need to read “The Silmarillion” before reading “The Children of Húrin”, “Beren and Lúthien” or “The Fall of Gondolin”?

The answer to the question In what order should Tolkien's writings on Middle-earth be read? suggests that you should read The Silmarillion and only then go on to read the three "great tales&...
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Who was Idril when she was the sleeper in the tower of pearl?

In The Book of Lost Tales (BoLT) Tolkien name drops the "Sleeper in the tower of pearl", but apparently only ever had very rough ideas about this part of the story. At one point, and then ...
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Huan, the Hound of Valinor, was permitted to speak only three times - why?

The great hound of Valinor, Huan, had many talents outside what is typical of hounds, one of which is speech. However, Huan was not allowed to just speak freely but instead was only able to speak ...
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What were Fëanor's crimes?

In The Silmarillion and this post, Buzz mentioned that "Fëanor will finally repent his crimes and be released from the Halls of Mandos" so that the two trees can be resurrected once more. What were ...
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Why, in The Silmarillion, does Melkor disappear forever and leave Sauron to reign as some kind of "Melkor copy"?

Melkor is many times driven back and trapped and whatnot after being defeated. At some point, the Valar/gods banish him to some kind of existence from which he cannot come back. Or can he? Why not? I ...
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Is Túrin’s dwarf-mask the same as the masks of the Naugrim?

What it says on the tin — is the dwarf-mask Túrin got from the treasuries of Nargothrond the same as the masks the Naugrim wore in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad? NB: this isn’t a dupe of this question since ...
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Why didn’t Húrin answer Morwen as she was dying?

In The Children of Húrin by Tolkien (and edited by his son), Húrin was bound by the power of Morgoth to a stone chair on a high place on Thangorodrim. He is later released after both Niënor and Túrin ...
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What exactly was the Everlasting Darkness?

In The Silmarillion, the Oath of Fëanor called the Everlasting Darkness on any who broke the Oath. This was clearly something greatly to be feared. What exactly was it?
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Decay and destruction in Tolkien's Silmarillion, vs. reality [closed]

Tolkien's Silmarillion is a wonderful story permeated by a sense of decay and downfall. The ancient world of the elves passes away and many wonders of the world are no longer in existence. Time is ...
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Yavanna's alarm clock

After the fall of the Lamps, Yavanna decreed that most of the living things in Arda should sleep until light returned. She then gathered up the available light and made the Two Trees to illuminate ...
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How could Beren hold a Silmaril without being hurt?

In chapter 7 of The Silmarillion, "Of the Silmarils", it is stated that the jewels could harm men or those with evil intent: And Varda hallowed the Silmarils, so that thereafter no mortal flesh, ...
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What happened to Thorondor after the First Age?

During the First Age of Middle-earth Manwë sent Thorondor and the Eagles to watch over the inhabitants including the Noldor. Throughout the First Age, Thorondor intervened on behalf of Men and Elves ...
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Did Sauron ever betray Morgoth?

Sauron was given the title "Sauron the Deceiver" because he used charm and deception to gain control over others. He taught ring-craft to the elves and gave Rings of Power to men and dwarves ...
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