Timeline for How could the wight plan have worked considering the obstacles?
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| Sep 4, 2017 at 11:23 | vote | accept | 7hibault | ||
| Aug 31, 2017 at 7:58 | comment | added | Aegon | @7hibault They were already converted into wights, their eye color had changed, their flesh was not rotting. That was why Rangers took them inside. And yes what you say is a possibility, what I mentioned to Skooba in second comment. It could be that whatever was running them left their bodies temporarily. Once they were beyond the wall, they regained access and Wights rose. | |
| Aug 31, 2017 at 7:50 | comment | added | 7hibault | @Paul He says "the dead cannot pass", so to me it seems he should fall under the same category as the wights. Aegon, they had blue eyes but weren't raised yet? Maybe there's a difference, they cannot be go south of the wall, be their dead bodies can before they're brought back? I can't remember exactly how Jon's first encounter with a wight went | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 17:02 | comment | added | Aegon | @Paul Indeed, as Skooba said, he is more like the Others than the Wights. | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 16:53 | comment | added | Paul | @Aegon could be as simple as the character not knowing, or that Benjen/Coldhands isn't animated under the same rules/conditions as the wights. He's not mindless, after all, so clearly there is some technical difference in the implementation of his Undead state. | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 16:39 | comment | added | Aegon | @Flater They were already wights. They had blue eyes which is why the rangers took them inside. We only have Benjen's word for it. In the books Yes NW knows the magic in the wall (Though many think its just a tale), in show not sure. Which is why I need to refresh my memory | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 15:43 | comment | added | Flater | Some gaps that I'm seeing in the discussion here: (1) were the S01 bodies already wights at the time they crossed the Wall? (2) is Benjen's claim ever proven to actually be correct? (3) Even if Benjen knew that and was correct, is there any proof that Jon (or any of his Merry Men) know that? | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 15:14 | comment | added | Aegon | @Paul That part is same. It's Coldhands which contradicts this. Coldhands told Sam that he can't cross, if Wights could be brought by NW men, Coldhands could be brought in by Sam right? And I don't recall how did show-coldhands (Benjen) act in that position and if he had a similar encounter with Sam or Bran. That's what I will have to look into | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 15:12 | comment | added | Paul | @Aegon, I may be missing something, but I thought in both the show and books the initial Wights were brought to Castle Black by men of the Watch? So how's the canon different as it pertains to this question? | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 15:10 | comment | added | Aegon | @Paul Yeah I had a discussion on main body with Paul.D.Waite and it appears that I am mixing books canon with Show canon. I'll have to refactor it once I have the time to cross-reference the two and filter the show canon | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 15:09 | comment | added | Paul | I'm not sure what's inconsistent in your eyes, @Aegon. In both cases (First Wights and the one Jon just brought across), they were brought through by men, not under their own power. Whether those men needed to be of the Watch or not is valid speculation but doesn't alter the fact that a reasonable scenario exists (and could have been considered by Jon) where the dead cannot cross but can be brought. | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 14:21 | history | edited | Aegon | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 30, 2017 at 14:04 | comment | added | Annatar | @Aegon True, they probably had the ship as their main plan (if outright carrying the wight through the gates doesn't work). But they never had to test the limits of the barrier the way it worked out. | |
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| Aug 30, 2017 at 13:58 | comment | added | Aegon | @Annatar At the time of planning, Air-Extraction was not an option. Dany was not going to get them out so Jon couldn't count on it. Things turned out that way later but they didn't know it would happen quite that way. | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 13:57 | comment | added | Annatar | Also, they made their way back on a dragon, who can just fly over/around any spell barriers. | |
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| Aug 30, 2017 at 13:55 | comment | added | Aegon | @Skooba Indeed. I think whatever was possessing the wights at that moment, went out of them when they were crossing the wall, and then gained remote access again. We will know when we know | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 13:55 | comment | added | Skooba - Stands Against AI | Also wight =/= White Walker. Benjen seems to be closer to a White Walker than a wight. | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 13:53 | history | answered | Aegon | CC BY-SA 3.0 |