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| Mar 2, 2021 at 17:07 | history | edited | Better not tell | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 1, 2021 at 16:14 | comment | added | Better not tell | @PaulD.Waite But the rest of my comment would then be deleted too. I never wrote "The Zionese speak English and therefore Zion must be beneath America because only America speaks English." The English language is just a hint that Zion is not beneath Japan, but I think now that Valorum is right and Zion might indeed be close to the machine city. And I won't pledge allegiance to the Queen as long as the mysterious death of Lady Diana isn't resolved. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 15:54 | comment | added | Paul D. Waite | @betternottell: sir — you could acknowledge your mistake, delete your comment, and pledge your allegiance to Queen and Commonwealth immediately. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 14:13 | comment | added | Matthew | ...but the movie was filmed in English (i.e. was produced by people who spoke English, primarily for an English-speaking audience, and using English-speaking actors), and it's harder to redo visual imagery than to dub audio. Point is, there are plenty of Doylist reasons to use English that don't necessarily mean English is the in universe language. OTOH, if you want a Watsonian reason, English may simply have been the dominant world language at the time (as it more-or-less is in real life). | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 14:08 | comment | added | Better not tell | @Matthew No, I'm watching it in another language, but English must be the language of Zion if it is also the language inside the Matrix whose "capital city" (as seen on Anderson's ID-card) is the futuristic version of Chicago. I don't say it is like I claim, it's just my opinion. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 13:51 | comment | added | Matthew | Do people in Zion really speak English? Or are you just watching a movie in English? Translation Convention is a thing, y'know... | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 12:28 | comment | added | Better not tell | @PaulD.Waite I love your country, believe me, I love Britain very much. But it would be more a surprise if Zion was beneath Britain than beneath America. I get your point of course but I can't do anything about it. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 12:25 | comment | added | Paul D. Waite | @Betternottell: that still doesn't make your "English" comment any more accurate. America is not the only country in the world that speaks English. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 12:16 | comment | added | Better not tell | @PaulD.Waite Read my entire comment again to learn why "speaking English" is not the only reason why I supposed Zion is beneath North America. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 12:14 | comment | added | Paul D. Waite | @Betternottell: that's great that someone mentioned Japan, it doesn't make what you said accurate. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 12:14 | comment | added | Better not tell | @PaulD.Waite No, I mean English because Valorum mentioned Japan. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 12:07 | comment | added | Paul D. Waite | "Since all surviving humans in Morpheus' time speak English, and the matrix is set in a futuristic version of Chicago, Zion quite sure is somewhere beneath either New York or Chicago or elswhere beneath former U.S. territory" — I think you mean "speak American English" — if not, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and a little place called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would like to point out some yawning chasms in your logic. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 8:16 | comment | added | Valorum | @Betternottell - Humans didn't live anywhere between the end of the War and the creation of the Matrix. The machines were already developing it to power their war machines. As to where they live between being freed from the Matrix by the One and finding/founding Zion, I think we can be pretty sure that the Machines just pretend to ignore them for a bit and give them sneaky access to food and supplies. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 7:51 | comment | added | Better not tell | @ImmortalBlue Where did humans live between the end of the war and the creation of the first matrix? I mean, the sky was already darkened and the machines won so they had to live somewhere underground. In some proto-Zion perhaps. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 7:36 | comment | added | Immortal Blue | Except Zion was founded by the machines? It functions as a sort of pressure valve for the instability in the matrix. When it reaches critical mass, the one emerges, meets the architect, the machines destroy Zion, then the one choses 23 individuals to rebuild it. | |
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| Mar 1, 2021 at 6:07 | comment | added | Better not tell | @Valorum But in Zion all speak English. The first Zion obviously was founded when the war ended in New York. I assume that after the UN headquarters were blown up, the surviving Americans founded the first Zion beneath NYC. But you're right that the following Zions could have been built elsewhere each. | |
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| Feb 28, 2021 at 21:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackSciFi/status/1366131071155380226 | ||
| Feb 28, 2021 at 19:26 | answer | added | Valorum | timeline score: 34 | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 19:06 | comment | added | Valorum | Since all of the people in Zion learned English from inside the Matrix, it really doesn't follow that Zion must be in America, simply because everyone speaks English. Similarly, the Matrix also includes simulations of Japan (where they speak Japanese), and London. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 18:54 | comment | added | Better not tell | @Valorum After the Operation Dark Storm's failure, the war ended in New York, for the time being. Since all surviving humans in Morpheus' time speak English, and the matrix is set in a futuristic version of Chicago, Zion quite sure is somewhere beneath either New York or Chicago or elswhere beneath former U.S. territory. It would be quite a surprise if Zion is below another continent. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 17:55 | answer | added | abathur | timeline score: 17 | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 17:19 | comment | added | Valorum | "Since Zion is in Northern America" - Citation required. | |
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