Timeline for Why didn't the Emperor and Vader learn from the encounter with Ahsoka?
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| Mar 9, 2018 at 16:20 | answer | added | Mwr247 | timeline score: 3 | |
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| Mar 9, 2018 at 3:24 | history | reopened |
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| Mar 2, 2018 at 7:42 | history | edited | Edlothiad | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Mar 1, 2018 at 19:10 | comment | added | NKCampbell | whatever - we're talking past each other now, and you're wrong. Good day :) | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 19:06 | comment | added | rs.29 | @NKCampbell Emperor personally witnessed that you could be still alive after disappearing in real world - what is good for Ashoka could be good for Kenobi too. | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 19:04 | comment | added | rs.29 | @NKCampbell No, you are missing the point. Ashoka disappeared in Season 2. Suddenly, she is alive in "world between worlds" in Season 4. It doesn't matter if she could make back to real world, she exists - she is not destroyed. That means that Kenobi could be alive in some form after event on Death Star 1. Emperor and Vader could not be sure that he cannot help Luke . And in fact, he did help Luke after his apparent death . | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 18:58 | comment | added | NKCampbell | You're missing the point here, and imagining more than the episode shows us, hence the future works close. We don't know that the Emperor knows Ashoka made it back to the real world. Also - don't discount Vader's own words in Empire Strikes Back "Obi Wan can no longer help him" - we've seen Force users 'feel' death - it stands to reason that Vader would feel Kenobi's true and real death, and that it would feel distinct from what happened with Ashoka as we now know it. Also, Vader saying that indicates how wrong he (and by extension, Palps) can be about the Force | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 18:47 | comment | added | rs.29 | @NKCampbell From Emperor's POV , both Kenobi and Ashoka disappeared after the fight vs Vader. Ashoka is clearly alive in some form, so why would Emperor believe that Kenobi is not, i.e. that he is destroyed . Ashoka could communicate with living, therefore it would be at least probable that Kenobi could too. Nore that Emperor does not know about Force ghosts. | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 18:34 | comment | added | Edlothiad | @rs.29 I've seen the episode, but you calling retcon bad writing is you imagining it how you like. | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 18:22 | comment | added | NKCampbell | ...there is no evidence as of yet that Vader knows she is alive. Additionally - you are confusing retcon with an intended story point. Filoni planned this for Ashoka from the begining of that story - starwarsunderworld.com/2018/02/… - it would be a retcon to say that Kenobi and Yoda's disappearance is due to the being pulled into the world between worlds by another force user, but that isn't what is happening. What happened with Ashoka is (afawk) different, part of the original intention of the writer, and thus, not a retcon | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 18:20 | comment | added | NKCampbell | @rs.29 - that is debatable. At best, the Emperor learns of her when he views Ezra and Ashoka through the world between worlds portal, but that doesn't prove that he knows that she makes it back to the 'real' world. The connection w/ Kenobi is not really viable, because their re-appearances are entirely different. Kenobi is clearly a ghost wheras Ashoka returns in full human form as far as we can tell. Also, at this point in the overall Star Wars story, Kenobi ghost hasn't happened yet, so we can't really say what they have learned or not from both situations | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 18:12 | comment | added | rs.29 | @Edlothiad It is not imagination, it is established fact. Please watch episode before commenting. | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 18:11 | comment | added | Edlothiad | @rs.29 imagine it however you like. | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 18:10 | comment | added | rs.29 | @NKCampbell Emperor definitely found out that Ashoka is still alive after vanishing in front of Vader in Season 2 . Connection with Kenobi is clear. | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 18:08 | comment | added | rs.29 | @Edlothiad Retcon is by definition bad storytelling, because it changes established facts retroactively. And this would be particularly bad retcon, because Vader would had opportunity to see Force user vanishing, and later finding out that Force user is still alive . | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 15:07 | history | closed |
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| Mar 1, 2018 at 14:48 | comment | added | NKCampbell | Also - it's not a retcon (Ashoka being saved) because Filoni is involved in all aspects of Rebels production. Ashoka's fate has been a matter of fan speculation, but Filoni has been cagey about it since her apparent death. | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 14:35 | comment | added | NKCampbell | this is certainly future works / opinion based, because we don't yet know if there is anything to be learned. We don't know if Ashoka finds Ezra, reveals herself to Vader / Palpatine, gets involved at all in any way in the Rebellion, etc.... | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 8:38 | comment | added | delinear | It does seem like this is wide open to speculative answers and we're only likely to get a definitive answer from a future episode (of course, it's equally likely they'll never address it). | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 8:21 | comment | added | Edlothiad | You're pardoned. A retcon is not bad storytelling but simply "a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency." This is then, certainly a retcon. As you've provided a different interpretation on previously described events. Secondly, given that we don't have an answer in the current canon, and the series isn't over, it likely does breach our Future Works Policy, as it will likely be covered in a later piece of canon. | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 8:16 | comment | added | rs.29 | @Edlothiad Pardon me, but this is BS comment. Retcon is considered bad storytelling and this is certainly no future works. If disappearing happened once with the help of the Force, it could happen again | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 7:59 | comment | added | Edlothiad | 1. Because it's a retcon, 2. I'm tempted to close this as per our Future Works Policy as this or a similar issue will likely be resolved in a later episode. | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 7:52 | history | asked | rs.29 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |