Obviously The Flash is known to be faster than light but I was just reading another source that compares him with The Silver Surfer who happens to be exactly 99% faster than light. this source gave the victory to The Silver Surfer because supposedly he is able to surpass the speed of light on his own without any special assistants while Flash in the other hand needs to be inside the Speed Force to reach this speed.
Now this is where my confusion comes in. I really thought The Flash was faster than light on his own while the Speed Force just gives him a little extra boost. He also beat his Marvel counterpart Quicksilver in a DC/Marvel crossover where Marvel characters somehow end up in the DC universe, I believe in this crossover he was able to beat Quicksilver by using the Speed Force. However in another Crossover where the DC characters end up in the Marvel universe Quicksilver was able to get the victory for the fact that The Flash cant use the Speed Force in the Marvel universe.
So anyways exactly how fast is The Flash when he's not in the Speed Force?