I was wondering if there were any historical examples in ASOIAF about Wargs or skinchangers inhabiting dragons? I have searched here and here and have not been able to find any evidence either way. Thanks
asked Sep 12, 2012 at 3:23
2 Answers
No, there haven't been any (yet).
Unfortunately I can't provide proof of their absence because there, of course, isn't any!
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I am trying to remember, was Daenerys was having dreams from Drogon's perspective in the most recent book? Commented Sep 12, 2012 at 4:53
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I did go hunting for that because I vaguely remembered Daenerys having dragon-esque thoughts, but couldn't find it.– dlanodCommented Sep 12, 2012 at 4:59
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@ S. Albano and @ dlanond, I do remember something similar to that, I will go hunting today and see if I can find anything. Thank you! Commented Sep 12, 2012 at 12:31
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2No, Dany never had any warging dreams. All the dragons are only ever depicted from her someone else's perspective. Compared to the many wolves' perspective, where they clearly have first person observations.– TLPCommented Sep 12, 2012 at 21:47
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1@ S. Albano, dlanod, and TLP, I found something interesting. It is not exactly like the warging dreams that the Starks have, but it is very similar. She seems to be turning INTO the dragon, flying herself, smelling smoke and salt... but you could also interpret it as a dragon flying over her and picking her up. It is just after she has her child and is in the midst of fever dreams. She dreams she is running faster and faster, then sprouts wings on her back and flies herself. The dream is analyzed here: westeros.org/Citadel/Prophecies/Entry/1798 Commented Sep 15, 2012 at 2:01
Wargs are only bound to wolves, so it's impossible that one warg control a dragon.
Skinchanger is a more generic term, but I don't think it's possible, the books say it is very diffucult to control birds without driving yourself crazy, and a dragon is a much more powerful creature, with a stronger personality. I don't think it's possible.
In A Dance With Dragons, Daenerys can "communicate" with Drogon, but in a different way, not skinchanging (both keep the control of theirselves).
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1Warg is used synonymously with skinchanger, so your first sentence is incorrect. There's no restriction listed on what animals a warg can possess; in fact, it is explicitly stated that many other animals besides wolves are possible hosts (including humans!).– BeofettCommented Feb 27, 2013 at 15:03
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The old skinchanger Mance left to guard his wife and Jon was referred to as a warg even though he controlled a hawk and a shadowcat. There are other examples too but this one was the first to jump to mind. Commented Feb 27, 2013 at 19:06
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That's not what George R.R. Martin says: "A warg is bound to a wolf. Skinchanger is a more general term. All wargs are skinchangers, but not all skinchangers are wargs." boiledleather.com/post/28908673771/…– greuzeCommented Feb 28, 2013 at 9:22
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@greuze Hrm. I don't believe he sticks to that consistently, as I'm pretty sure he refers to some individuals not bound to a wolf as wargs in the books. Also, the phrasing doesn't mean that he's saying wargs are exclusively bound to wolves; Varamyr Sixskins, for example, was a warg who was bound to wolves, a shadowcat, a snow bear, and an eagle. Perhaps Martin was referring to the difference in bonding wolves (per the wiki): "Wolves, are harder, one has to forge a lasting bond, much like a marriage. A man might befriend a wolf, even break a wolf, but no man could truly tame a wolf."– BeofettCommented Feb 28, 2013 at 13:19
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Although now that I think about it, wasn't Varamyr identified as a warg before he bonded to his first wolf, back when he was bonding with the family dogs?– BeofettCommented Feb 28, 2013 at 13:20
A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness.That may be Jon's body stored in an ice cell in the Wall, and Dany is as of yet far away from even thinking about going to the Wall.