Kate Kane seems to have no relation to Bruce Wayne or Batman. She's just some woman who had a motivation to become a crusader. The Robins were taken in by Batman and at least Batgirl trained with Bruce.

  • Under what justification besides in name does Batwoman have in being part of the bat family? Did she get permission to extend the "franchise"?
  • Was Stephanie Brown (as Robin or Batgirl) any different?
  • What about Cassandra Cain?

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Technically, she wasn't part of Batman's family of crusaders. She was inspired by him, but not trained by him. He opposed her career both in the Silver Age and the Modern Age. She was created by the same writer, however, and thus via proxy she would be a member of the Bat family even if the Batman never approved of her or her mission.

  • Appearing in Detective Comics #233 (July 1956) and created by Bob Kane and Sheldon Moldoff, she was meant to be a feminist statement to the Batman. If a man could do it, why couldn't a woman? She extended the franchise without asking permission from Batman, nor would she accept training from him.

  • Batman treated her in the past as a dilettante crime-fighter who was only involved because she was rich and bored (much as people might have characterized Bruce Wayne if they knew he was Batman).

    Batwoman is unlike any of the other members of the Bat-family no matter how tangentially connected because almost every other member had training to supplement whatever they were doing on the street from Batman or a Batman-trained associate.

  • Batman trained Dick Grayson as Robin. Robin becomes Nightwing and trains and supports Huntress, even though Batman disapproved of Huntress. Dick Grayson is probably the best example of the training Batman has given a member of his team.

  • Batman trains Jason Todd and Tim Drake as Robins. Jason Todd 'dies' and comes back as the Red Hood. Tim Drake continues his career as the Red Robin.

  • Cassandra Cain was trained as an assassin by her father David Cain. Her training made her able to hold her own against any number of threats and once tempered with training from Batman and Oracle, she was a welcome addition to the Bat-family.

  • Stephanie Brown is a graduate of the same school having been trained by Batman, Batgirl, Oracle and the Birds of Prey which includes the formidable Black Canary.

Batwoman is getting a makeover in the DCnU and whether that means she will work any better with the Batman Family is anyone's guess.

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Batwoman, I'm assuming the current one, has no real relationship other than permission and is related to the original Batwoman(Batman's ex-girlfriend).

The reality is, she was slotted into Huntress(Bertinelli's) place, down to the similar costume and personality.

Stephanie, was Robin(Drake)'s ex-girlfriend, and became apart of the Batman family through him. He didn't approve of her until close to her death. Her father is Cluemaster, a mid-level Batman villain.

I don't recall her being in Batman all that often until she became Robin, which was maybe 10 years after her first appearance.


The original Batwoman was Bruce Wayne's aunt by marriage (she married into the Kane family, and Bruce's mom was Martha Kane) but was widowed at the time. The newest Batwoman, Kate Kane is cousins with Bruce and is the niece (again, by marriage) to the original Batwoman; although neither Batman or Batwoman are aware of each other's secret identities and Kate is unaware Kathy was the original Batwoman. This is almost entirely retconned in the new 52, as Kate Kane is the original Batwoman and Kathy ends up still existing, but as an agent instead of a superhero. She's not part of the Bat-family despite being his literal family, but she operates with Batman's blessing and he trusts her to take care of Gotham when he has international or League business.


Her father is an ex-colonel and in Detective Comics #854, it is stated she is the cousin of Bette "Flamebird" Kane. ... Detective Comics #854 would introduce Alice, a new villain for Kate who is also revealed to be her twin sister, Elizabeth Kane. From 2010, the character began appearing in the self-titled series Batwoman.

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    You have some nice information here but I'm not quite sure how it answers the question, could you edit to clarify? It would also be worth editing in the panels or quotes from the panels to back this up!
    – TheLethalCarrot
    Jul 2, 2019 at 9:01

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