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In the end of "Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back", Darth Vader was trying hard to capture Luke. Even with the hard way... The Carbonite Freezing!

After cutting off Luke's hand, capturing Luke would have been easy. Luke lost his lightsaber too. But, still he used speech to seduce him and failed. And, just after that, when Luke let himself fall, he didn't use the force to stop him from falling. Why?

He could even apply carbonite freezing on Luke after dragging using force.

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    If he dies from a mere fall like this, he is not worthy anyways. – Raphael Aug 2 '12 at 17:45
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    Is old, mostly machine, Vader powerful enough to do this? – Jeremy French Aug 15 '13 at 14:33
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    See this comment relating to a question of mine. It seems there's an argument against this even being possible. – Anthony Aug 15 '13 at 21:35
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    @JeremyFrench: A few minutes earlier, Vader was throwing large chunks of machinery at Luke. Luke is unlikely to weigh much more than those machines, and Vader would only have had to lift him slowly rather than throwing him. So almost certainly Vader was strong enough to do it. – Royal Canadian Bandit Jan 23 '14 at 14:17
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    Perhaps the "Tube-Slide" was a "rebirth" representation as to Luke finding out his true origins. Now Luke has to face his foe (which is his father), as if pre-destined to cloud Luke's mind and possibly turn him towards joining the dark-side. Leading up to, and including, Luke watching the Space Battle at Vader's side as Darth-Sidious taunts Luke about his friends dieing, Before the final Saber bout. – user31868 Aug 28 '14 at 20:54

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Earlier in the film
"He will join us or die." - Vader

later
"Join me." - Vader
"NEVER!" - Luke
"So...let my son be tortured to the breaking point by Sidious, or kill him...oh look, he's falling. Decision made." - Vader's thoughts
"Eat pit, Jedi." - Vader

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    He didn't specify when will Luke die, though... – n611x007 Jun 27 '12 at 0:23
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    @naxa I'm sure the Emperor would have loved his explanation of verbal trickery via unspecified temporal locus. I kinda get the feeling the Emperor wasn't the sort to say, "Oh, I see, very clever! I love how you tricked me there." He was more the type to say, "Oh. Interesting. LIGHTNING!" – Jeff Jun 27 '12 at 14:12
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    lol jedi pit theory. :D – Master Skorh Jan 15 '14 at 16:35
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    Unfortunately the "eat pit" link doesn't work anymore? :/ – Sam Dec 28 '17 at 19:00
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    @Sam - it really didn't add anything to the answer (or I would have copied in relevant parts) but the link was to the 'Jedi Pit Theory', which states that Jedi are nearly unassailable warriors except in the presence of pits. It points out how, in the OT, every time a Jedi is in trouble, they are near a pit (Ben dies on the Death Star, near a shaft; Palpatine dies when he falls into a pit, Luke is in trouble near the Sarlaac pit, etc) – Jeff Dec 28 '17 at 19:14
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Luke was at his darkest hour. He had just learned his father was a Sith Lord, that Obi-Wan, his mentor, had (from Luke and Vader/Anakin's perspective) lied to him, and had just had a thorough trouncing -- as well as realizing his friends were now captives of the Empire. Oh, and there's that whole thing about losing his hand.

From Vader's point of view, if all this was not enough to make Luke angry enough to give in and to come over to the Dark Side, what would? But Luke wasn't feeling full of rage. He was hurt, he was wounded, and more to be pitied than feared. Vader would see him, at that point, as unwilling to join him and probably even weak. So he likely saw no reason to save him. He was either too weak to be Sith or strong enough in his refusal to turn that he'd be an enemy.

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    I don't think EU canon supports this at all. Vader continued to pursue Luke after that. – DVK-on-Ahch-To Dec 22 '11 at 14:50
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    I have to concur with DVK, but I like you reasoning. He may continued to persue him afterwards, but that seems a good interpretation of that moment. – Nuno Freitas Mar 2 '12 at 19:42
  • I like this explanation better than the accepted answer. – Bogdan Alexandru Jan 17 '15 at 17:36
  • @DVK -Yes, Vader pursued, but that was after he sensed Luke still alive, thus proving him strong/worthy etc. In the moment of Luke falling, Vader could have expected the fall to be fatal. – MAW74656 Sep 17 '15 at 17:24
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Luke was much more powerful than Vader expected, likely due to Yoda's training, which hadn't figured into his plan. When the point comes that Vader had planned for Luke to be frozen, he remarks, "All too easy...". Then, when he realizes that Luke has escaped the trap, he says "Impressive...most impressive." At that point, he's realized that Luke is too powerful to defeat in the simple way he'd planned.

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    You ignored the main point: Why did Vader not stopped Luke from falling? – I Love You 3000 Dec 22 '11 at 11:24
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    I think that, his injury notwithstanding, Luke was too powerful for Vader to do this. – Chris B. Behrens Dec 22 '11 at 15:21
  • @ChrisB.Behrens It's the other way around. Vader was far more powerful than Luke still. Vader had better training. Vader had far more experience. Luke's talent was too raw and untested to win in a duel against Vader. – RichS Jul 15 '17 at 22:03
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At first, he just wanted to freeze Luke to bring him to the Emperor.

But when he saw that the Force was strong with Luke, he changed his plan, thinking he could bring Luke to join him so they could rule the galaxy. Maybe he also understood that Luke could defeat him and take his place, if he was trained by the Emperor.

That's why he tried to talk him into joining the Dark Side at his side and he didn't use the Force to bring Luke to the Emperor.

  • Just to point out...Vader knew the Force was strong with Luke since Luke did his Death Star run. You KNOW the Rebellion would have talked up their 'Jedi' who killed a Death Star in the intervening time. – Jeff Dec 13 '12 at 15:22
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My take on the events following Luke's decision to fall is that Vader did use the Force to guide Luke's fall into one of the exhaust pipes. There was no obvious reason why Luke's body suddenly veered into the exhaust pipe. I didn't see a large exhaust fan or tractor beam pulling Luke in. It's reasonable to presume Vader was acting from a distance as he watched Luke plummet.

But why Vader didn't immediately levitate Luke when he stepped off the gantry? There are three possible reasons:

1) Vader was caught off guard by Luke's sudden decision to commit suicide.

2) Given Vader was likely exhausted from the duel, and in addition seriously injured by one of Luke's blows, he may have been unable to levitate Luke with Force powers in his weakened state (although we might surmise he had just enough strength for a gentle Force "push" into the exhaust pipe). Certainly Luke was too weak and scared (and unskilled with using the Force) to levitate himself off the gantry to safety, so some degree of concentration is required to lift heavy objects.

3) Vader wanted Luke to willingly join the Dark Side - or die:

VADER There is no escape. You must join me or die. Don't make me destroy you here... The Emperor is strong with The Force. But if you join me, together we could overthrow Him. Do not resist. It is our destiny!

Although this answer would contradict Vader's actions in saving Luke from falling to his death if Vader Force pushed Luke into the exhaust tube. Unless Vader was bluffing with the ultimatum "Join me or die."

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No one has mentioned that Vader had a Plan B. He had his men deactivate the hyperdrive in order to capture Luke and his friends. Then use the tractor beam to bring them all in.

Seems he coaxed Luke into the exhaust pipe, though I don't know how he knew that it would lead to the outside of the city and that the Falcon would find him? But they did find him.

  • Since Vader (and Luke) were expecting the fall to be fatal, your answer doesn't make a lot of sense. – Valorum Jul 15 '17 at 17:00
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vader decided to wait it out, knowing that he had luke's friends and luke would not abandon them. Vader knew that Luke would return to save them.

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    Would return?... When falling means he was going to die. – I Love You 3000 Feb 7 '14 at 16:01
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Not applicable.

One more thing, more practical; the G-canon doesn't ever show "Force Pull" IIRC. People are pushed directly away, choked with their feet on the ground, etc, but never lifted off their feet (possibly excepting Padme; I can't remember if she's lifted off the ground) or pulled toward the Force user. In G-canon, levitation by the Force only happens on inanimate objects or the Force user themselves to augment leaps. Even in Extended Universe, levitation of a living thing is almost always through the Dark power, Force Choke. – KeithS

The accepted post, answers the question of if Lord Vader could have saved him, why didn't he? Your question is moot, before asking if he could. Which he could not. N/A.

  • In the new Disney canon, Star Wars: The Clone Wars TV series exists which has shown lots of Force Pulls. – I Love You 3000 Nov 6 '15 at 10:18
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I doubt he wanted to bring Luke to the Emperor as he was. When Lando told him the carbon freezing could kill Luke he said something like "I do not want the emperor's prize damaged". But then he went and cut off his hand. There was also the bit where he encouraged Luke to overthrow the Emperor. Wouldn't want that getting back to Palpatine. Better to wait. There would be other opportunities to bring him in.

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    Since Vader (and Luke) were expecting the fall to be fatal, your answer doesn't make a lot of sense. – Valorum Jul 15 '17 at 16:57
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This is simple.

Usage of the Force needs concentration. The Force is equal to midichlorians in a being's body. Now, Vader is only 60% man. Cybernetics get in the way of using the Force, and because Luke's drop was very sudden, he had no time to concentrate -- with his concentration already a bit more useless than it originally was.

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    No, as stated above he was throwing things that weighed more than Luke did. – Josh Schwarzzeskywalker Mar 17 '15 at 22:30

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