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DS9 came out during the 6th season of TNG. From the onset of the show, DS9 used uniforms that looked like this:

DS9

However, TNG continued the use of this uniform(taken from episode 10 of season 7):

TNG

Why did they not change over? As a military establishment, the change of uniform would have been branch wide. Was there ever any reason, canonical or not, given for this lack of change? At least when they changed the uniforms in DS9 again later on:

DS9-2

Their was reason to not change the uniforms in Voyager, as there was no way to communicate that change.

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    In the very first episode, Sisko was in the TNG-style uniform. However, that episode also showed O'Brien and other Starfleet members wearing the new uniforms. – PiousVenom Feb 27 '13 at 21:11
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    Actual military uniforms vary pretty wildly within a single service (or they used to, I got out in '05) between working uniforms and dress uniforms, or even different classes of working uniforms. I was a submariner and had four different work uniforms and three different dress uniforms. – Thom Brannan Feb 28 '13 at 1:23
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    @ThomBrannan: Oh, I agree. I was in the Navy as well. Not sure about subs(but I'd assume it's the same), while underway, it was always coveralls unless in port. Then it was utilities unless on watch, and then it was your whites/blues. I could go with the "different environment" as a valid reason, if it weren't for the fact that TNG movies went to the latest uniform style. – PiousVenom Feb 28 '13 at 16:29
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    @CL4PTR4P: Yeah. Sometimes it's just a uniform change. I was wearing dungarees when I joined in the early 90's, and then it changed over to the utilities, and there was a long while where you could see both versions of the same uniform on base. – Thom Brannan Feb 28 '13 at 21:44
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    @ThomBrannan: I can't believe I forgot about the dungarees/utilities switch! Very, very valid point, sir. I'd +1 you if I could. But for now, you get a helpful up arrow. – PiousVenom Feb 28 '13 at 21:49
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It seems it may have depended upon the type of environment where personnel were primarily stationed.

From Wikipedia:

throughout the run of DS9, ship-based Starfleet personnel continue to wear the old TNG uniform design. The new design may therefore have been intended as an alternate 'class' of uniform for the different environment of the space station, as in a scene in "The Maquis, Part I" Commander Sisko can be seen wearing the new style uniform while Commander Hudson can be seen wearing the old style. Sisko also wore the TNG uniform on certain formal occasions and during his first arrival at DS9 from the series pilot episode, Emissary. He would revert to this uniform again when he was temporarily given the duties of "Head of Security" for Starfleet Headquarters. Admirals also retained the TNG style.

  • The dress uniforms on DS9 were pretty much identical to those on TNG. Otherwise, the station uniforms were essentially a recut of the Starfleet Academy uniforms seen shortly before on TNG. – MPelletier Feb 28 '13 at 2:41
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    You are correct, Solemnity - the uniforms worn by DS9 personnel are closer to modern BDUs than a uniform. It is more of an operational jumpsuit, similar in form to the one worn by cadets (see Wesley Crusher's time at the Academy). Once the Dominion War started, all uniforms (regardless of operational environment) switched to an updated version of the more functional jumpsuit style. – Omegacron Feb 15 '14 at 17:55
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    This is further supported by the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual, which characterizes the VOY/DS9 uniform style as a "Jumpsuit". – Kevin Laity Apr 12 '17 at 18:03
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John Wayne's movie, "Jet Pilot" it think it is called, was set during the transition from "United States Army Air Corps" to "United States Air Force". John Wayne's character wore the Army Brown uniform, while his CO was wearing the newer Air Force Blue. Others in the background could be seen in those colors too. Dad was in the Army when I was born, but in the USAF when my 2 years younger brother was born. During that time and up until he retired in the 1970s, I recall lots of uniform variations.

Also, let us not forget that Captain Kirk went from wearing Captain Pike's uniform style in his first episode, to wearing the more familiar version by the his second one, yet in the background, you could still see some people wearing the older style. Charlie Evans wore an older style too. Also, during that time Captains had the green-uniform option, with the deep V-neck, while lesser ranks never wore it.

Did you all notice that in the 2009 movie, Admiral Pike was wearing the uniform that Admiral Kirk wore in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture"? No one else had made that transition.

  • Hi Again Jimmie! I'm just going round and checking up on some of your answers! This one is quote good, but people seem to have downvoted it! I can see the analogy you're making, but it might be best to set it up. First, try making your point, something like 'You assumed that uniform changes in the military are always 'branch-wide', they aren't!' Then move on to your evidence (this is the majority of your post now, excellent!) afterwards, explain: So when you see the differences in uniform, this isn't unusual in a military organisation. That way, people will see what you mean! – AncientSwordRage Apr 12 '13 at 17:54
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I would say that from the real-word perspective, it would be in order for the shows to be easily recognizable. From the ST-universe PoV, I'd say it could be due to location and enviroment differencies.

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It would be logical from an operational standpoint for uniforms to vary from location to location, and for updates to be gradually phased in, and obsolete designs to be phased out. changing millions of uniforms purely for color co-ordination overnight seems inefficient and unnecessary, it would be cheaper and logistically easier to gradually change between designs. New uniforms could be issued, when the old uniforms were recycled.

From a tv production standpoint, costumes would not be changed unless there was specific funding available for the wardrobe department. The TNG uniform redesign was $3,000 in season 3, and took place following the hiring of Robert Blackman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation_(season_3)

Ds9 went through several redesigns culminating in the uniform worn in the season 5 episode "rapture".

Evidence of multiple uniform usage can be seen in episodes involving admirals where they still wore the previous season 4 uniform, whilst the rest of the cast were in the season 5 uniform (the flag officer uniform having not been designed yet, it did not make an appearance until behind the lines, season 6) http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(2370s)#Flag_officer_uniform

The captain's uniform had several variants, Picard and Sisko's uniforms were different. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(2370s)

The dress whites are particularly striking, very fancy.

  • Right, both points. Uniforms are phased in gradually in the starfleet. Like in real world it requires resources and organization. Probably single units or fleets change the uniforms within some weeks or the crews are even allowed to wear old uniforms as long as the uniforms are still good. Even replicators requires much energy and resources! DS9 was a new station, therefore new uniforms for all crew members. Enterprise-D was a operating unit, they changed gradually by opportunity during Generations. Furthermore, new cloths for all actors cost money - like shuttles ;) – Peter Oct 10 '17 at 12:44
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Real world explanation: they wanted DS9 to have a different look from TNG. Overall rougher and less formal. In-universe explanation: It's not a style to replace the TNG style but to complement it. As mentioned a lot already, real world uniforms usually have lots of different variations. So that Star Trek has a second, more comfortable variation isn't that surprising. My theory is, initially only DS9 and a few other facitlities used them when they were introduced but by the time of the third season (which is when Generations was released and Voyager launched) the uniform had spread and became more popular. In Generations the crew is wearing both styles side-by-side and half of the main cast switches between uniforms during the film. And by the time Sisko is on earth during the fourth season, only a few facilities used the TNG style still, which was apropriate for more formal institutions like Starfleet Academy or Starfleet Headquarters.

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Also, Voyager's mission was meant to be of short duration to catch a Maquis cell, not an exploration mission where formal first contacts were meant to occur. That may be why they were allowed to wear the jumpsuit style, whereas other crews had to wear the more professional looking one.

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    This feels like fan-fiction. Can you offer any evidence from the shows to back it up? – Valorum May 17 at 15:12

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